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Latest purchase - bargain priced 190E 2.3

Post by Greg in Oz » Wed 06 Apr, 2011 12:29 am

I had some luck on eBay recently. For some time I have been on the lookout for something our boys can drive when they start driving. Prior to my recent eBay purchase, the "fleet" was the 1972 Mini Clubman GT (my first car which I still own), the 1973 350SLC (which I purchased in 1983), the 1990 300TE (which we purchased in 1998 to replace a 1980 300TD), the 1990 190E 2.3 Sportline (purchased in 2003 to relieve the 350SLC of daily driver duties), the 1980 500SLC ("club" car purchased in 2006), as well as the 190E 2.3 Sportline parts car and the Mini based motorkhana special. Of all of these, it is really only the 190E and 300TE that can be considered suitable for the boys to drive. P-plate drivers in NSW aren't permitted to drive V8s (ruling out the SLCs) and the Mini is getting on a bit and isn't the safest car for young drivers today.

I wasn't in any hurry but figured if the right car came along at the right price, I'd buy it. I kicked myself when I found out how cheaply "bahaimus" sold his 190E 1.8 Sportline ( viewtopic.php?f=19&t=9924 ) as I had considered it a candidate (had it been a manual I would have snapped it up) and likewise I had also considered the 190E 2.0 Sportline belonging to "116Benz" ( viewtopic.php?f=19&t=12212 ), however it was also an automatic and sold quickly.

Then recently I spotted a 1992 190E 2.3 listed under "restoration & salvage" on eBay. There were only a few small photos but it didn't look or sound too bad. The only real problem was a fault in the wiring harness. Communication with the seller revealed that the wiring to the boot light had been damaged near the boot lid hinge causing a short circuit. I can only assume the fuse was larger than recommended for that circuit as the result was significant damage to one of the wiring harnesses running from the fuse box to the rear of the car. I had a mate in Melbourne (where the car was located) inspect it as I was mainly interested in its overall condition, and especially the body and paint condition. He gave me a good report on it.

During the 10 day listing (9 of which it sat there with a single bid at the $1500 opening price) I ran the usual checks for ownership etc, and considered how I would get it to Sydney if I was the successful buyer. As the auction drew to a close, I had a reasonable idea of transport costs and had decided on my maximum bid value. With 5 seconds remaining (and still only the one $1500 bid), I placed my bid. The auction ended without any further bids and I was the successful bidder at $1525, well under where I had set my limit. The purchase transaction went smoothly, although I was concerned whether the seller would go through with the sale given the low price. Within a few days I had lined up a transport company John Green has used and a couple of days later the car was delivered (at a cost of $568).

On inspection my wife and I very quickly realised it was a winner. Apart from needing a good clean (and the wiring problem sorted), it is a tidy and original car. The blueblack paint is in good condition showing just a few relatively minor chips and scratches. There isn't any sign of the clear coat failing and after a wash I even noticed the water beaded suggesting some remaining wax. The bumpers have a few minor scuffs and the bootlid has a small dent above the 190E badge. Otherwise, the body is perfectly straight without any signs of accident damage, repairs or rust. The original alloy wheels only need a clean and show no signs of deterioration of the painted surface finish as is often the case. Tyres don't have much life left though.

The grey MB-Tex seats and door cards, the dash, the roof lining, the carpets (protected by fitted mats) and even the zebrano timber on the console and dash (which often develops cracks) are just about perfect. The rear shelf still holds an unopened first aid kit and a fire extinguisher is still mounted below the drivers seat. The boot interior is like new and contains the alloy spare, jack, original tool roll and safety triangle.

The glove box contained all the original books and documentation (including the most complete service history for any car I've ever purchased) for its 200,000km. Just 12 months ago it had the auto transmission rebuilt and a new torque converter fitted at a cost of almost $3500 and in recent times there has also been a new radiator and water pump fitted. Apart from the electrics affected by the wiring faults, everything works fine, including the original radio-cassette, sunroof and power windows.

The engine bay needs a good clean but is in good condition and there is an Australian compliance plate on the firewall. The engine starts instantly and runs smoothly and the transmission engages forward and reverse gears quickly. Underneath there isn't any damage or serious oil leaks and the original exhaust system is still in good condition.

It may not be a manual (or Sportline) as I would have preferred, but it has the relatively rare (for an Oz delivered W201) 2.3 litre (rather than 2.0 or 1.8) engine. Being a late 1991 build (1992 complianced), it has all the latest features (even some updates compared to my "update" 1990 model). Finally, just about anything I need in the way of parts can come from my parts car, also a 2.3 automatic.

Anyway, below are the first photos snapped after a quick wash and vacuum (haven't yet cleaned dust from dash etc.).
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107023 - 350SLC: 1973, 3sp auto, icon gold, parchment MBtex (sold July 2012 after 29 years ownership)
107026 - 500SLC: 1981, 4sp auto, thistle green, green velour
124090 - 300TE: 1990, 4sp auto, arctic white, cream-beige MBtex
124090 - 300TE: 1992, 4sp auto, malachite (spruce green), black MBtex
201024 - 190E-2.0: 1985, 5sp manual, black, black MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 5sp manual, arctic white, blue leather
201028 - 190E-2.3: 1992, 4sp auto, blueblack, grey MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 4sp auto, signal red, black cloth (parts car)
201034 - 190E-2.3-16 Cosworth: 1985, 5sp manual, blueblack, black leather
YG2S8 - Mini Clubman GT: 1972, 4sp manual, blue, parchment vinyl (my first car which I still own)

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Re: Latest purchase - bargain priced 190E 2.3

Post by Greg in Oz » Wed 06 Apr, 2011 12:34 am

tips wrote:
Greg in Oz wrote: I find bidding this way to be entertaining. Sometimes there will be others doing the same or using snipe software and at other times I will be the only late bidder, as was the case with a recent eBay win (see addition to my signature below - will tell more elsewhere later).
I had heard you were successful on ebay recently and was waiting to see the signature up date. I don't know where you fit them all Greg.
Like you I don't use software and enjoy the thrill of the watching the closing minutes of the auction and bidding my first, best and final with seconds to go. I have won many more than I have lost doing this.
Steven
Steven,

Yes, there is a problem with where I fit all the cars. The photo below (featuring all 6 MBs) was taken whilst shuffling cars around. The 500SLC lives around the back but I had to get it out to get the "new" 190E in behind it where I can set about sorting the wiring problems. Fortunately, I have storage elsewhere for the Minis and trailers.

This however now means that I need to think about selling the 350SLC. It will hard to part with it after 28 years, but realistically, with all the other cars including the 500SLC, we really don't need the 350SLC any longer. I haven't even thought about advertising it yet, but if there is anyone here looking for a 350SLC requiring some work (mainly rust and paint), you have the first opportunity to give it some thought.

Greg
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107023 - 350SLC: 1973, 3sp auto, icon gold, parchment MBtex (sold July 2012 after 29 years ownership)
107026 - 500SLC: 1981, 4sp auto, thistle green, green velour
124090 - 300TE: 1990, 4sp auto, arctic white, cream-beige MBtex
124090 - 300TE: 1992, 4sp auto, malachite (spruce green), black MBtex
201024 - 190E-2.0: 1985, 5sp manual, black, black MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 5sp manual, arctic white, blue leather
201028 - 190E-2.3: 1992, 4sp auto, blueblack, grey MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 4sp auto, signal red, black cloth (parts car)
201034 - 190E-2.3-16 Cosworth: 1985, 5sp manual, blueblack, black leather
YG2S8 - Mini Clubman GT: 1972, 4sp manual, blue, parchment vinyl (my first car which I still own)

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Re: Latest purchase - bargain priced 190E 2.3

Post by Dweezil » Wed 06 Apr, 2011 1:35 am

Greg,

I'm sure your kids are lovely, but that black car is way too good for them.

Obviously what we need to do is a little swap with my 123TD. I'll tell Mrs Dweezil the good news.

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Re: Latest purchase - bargain priced 190E 2.3

Post by Boyracer » Wed 06 Apr, 2011 10:12 am

It looks like you did very well indeed. I saw a 190 2.3 in Surry Hills not long ago. I didn't realise they were quite rare.

Just a thought, but if you wish to keep the 350, you may consider doing what I have just started to do. I now have one car garaged offsite in a rented garage.
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Re: Latest purchase - bargain priced 190E 2.3

Post by Greg in Oz » Thu 07 Apr, 2011 12:31 am

Dweezil wrote:Greg,

I'm sure your kids are lovely, but that black car is way too good for them.

Obviously what we need to do is a little swap with my 123TD. I'll tell Mrs Dweezil the good news.

Dweezil
Dweezil,

Judging by the liking my wife has taken to it ("that will be easier to park at the shops"), it appears that she has claimed it as hers. Good luck to anyone (our kids included) who tries to take it from her! All that keeps her from driving my Sportline is the manual box. I can't figure it out considering up until the 300TD she always drove a manual, but who am I to question her reasons?

Greg
107023 - 350SLC: 1973, 3sp auto, icon gold, parchment MBtex (sold July 2012 after 29 years ownership)
107026 - 500SLC: 1981, 4sp auto, thistle green, green velour
124090 - 300TE: 1990, 4sp auto, arctic white, cream-beige MBtex
124090 - 300TE: 1992, 4sp auto, malachite (spruce green), black MBtex
201024 - 190E-2.0: 1985, 5sp manual, black, black MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 5sp manual, arctic white, blue leather
201028 - 190E-2.3: 1992, 4sp auto, blueblack, grey MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 4sp auto, signal red, black cloth (parts car)
201034 - 190E-2.3-16 Cosworth: 1985, 5sp manual, blueblack, black leather
YG2S8 - Mini Clubman GT: 1972, 4sp manual, blue, parchment vinyl (my first car which I still own)

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Re: Latest purchase - bargain priced 190E 2.3

Post by Greg in Oz » Thu 07 Apr, 2011 12:47 am

Boyracer wrote:It looks like you did very well indeed. I saw a 190 2.3 in Surry Hills not long ago. I didn't realise they were quite rare.

Just a thought, but if you wish to keep the 350, you may consider doing what I have just started to do. I now have one car garaged offsite in a rented garage.
Michael,

Aussie delivered 201s were mainly the 2.0 in early versions although the 6 cylinder 2.6 were also reasonably popular prior to the late 1988 update. After the update most were 2.0 until the 1.8 was stripped of most features and rebadged as the cut priced 180E and sold well. Relatively small numbers of the 2.3 sold and very few 2.6 sold after the 180E was released presumably due to the more than 2 to 1 price difference. Strangely, the US market only got the 2.3 and 2.6.

I already have my Minis garaged off site but there's no more room there for anything else. With the sensible cars (the 300TE and 190Es) and my dream 107 (the 500SLC), we realistically don't need the 350SLC any longer. The arrival of the black 190E gives me the incentive to do something about moving it on.

Greg
107023 - 350SLC: 1973, 3sp auto, icon gold, parchment MBtex (sold July 2012 after 29 years ownership)
107026 - 500SLC: 1981, 4sp auto, thistle green, green velour
124090 - 300TE: 1990, 4sp auto, arctic white, cream-beige MBtex
124090 - 300TE: 1992, 4sp auto, malachite (spruce green), black MBtex
201024 - 190E-2.0: 1985, 5sp manual, black, black MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 5sp manual, arctic white, blue leather
201028 - 190E-2.3: 1992, 4sp auto, blueblack, grey MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 4sp auto, signal red, black cloth (parts car)
201034 - 190E-2.3-16 Cosworth: 1985, 5sp manual, blueblack, black leather
YG2S8 - Mini Clubman GT: 1972, 4sp manual, blue, parchment vinyl (my first car which I still own)

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Re: Latest purchase - bargain priced 190E 2.3

Post by AMG » Thu 07 Apr, 2011 1:53 am

Greg in Oz wrote:we realistically don't need the 350SLC any longer. The arrival of the black 190E gives me the incentive to do something about moving it on.

Greg
Or you could make it a track car....
Current:
1987 560SL 4sp. auto Signalrot "Stella"
1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
1989 2.5-16 Blauschwarz 4sp. auto (parted) formerly owned by Derek/Hasan.

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Re: Latest purchase - bargain priced 190E 2.3

Post by Greg in Oz » Thu 07 Apr, 2011 10:24 am

JoeB wrote:
Greg in Oz wrote:we realistically don't need the 350SLC any longer. The arrival of the black 190E gives me the incentive to do something about moving it on.

Greg
Or you could make it a track car....
So could you! You want a 107 track car don't you? You can have it for mate's rates so long as you promise to build the track car and let me have a drive.
107023 - 350SLC: 1973, 3sp auto, icon gold, parchment MBtex (sold July 2012 after 29 years ownership)
107026 - 500SLC: 1981, 4sp auto, thistle green, green velour
124090 - 300TE: 1990, 4sp auto, arctic white, cream-beige MBtex
124090 - 300TE: 1992, 4sp auto, malachite (spruce green), black MBtex
201024 - 190E-2.0: 1985, 5sp manual, black, black MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 5sp manual, arctic white, blue leather
201028 - 190E-2.3: 1992, 4sp auto, blueblack, grey MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 4sp auto, signal red, black cloth (parts car)
201034 - 190E-2.3-16 Cosworth: 1985, 5sp manual, blueblack, black leather
YG2S8 - Mini Clubman GT: 1972, 4sp manual, blue, parchment vinyl (my first car which I still own)

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Re: Latest purchase - bargain priced 190E 2.3

Post by tips » Mon 11 Apr, 2011 9:41 pm

Greg in Oz wrote: This however now means that I need to think about selling the 350SLC. It will hard to part with it after 28 years, but realistically, with all the other cars including the 500SLC, we really don't need the 350SLC any longer. I haven't even thought about advertising it yet, but if there is anyone here looking for a 350SLC requiring some work (mainly rust and paint), you have the first opportunity to give it some thought.

Greg
Greg,

The realisation of having to part with the 107 must have hurt. I remember the day it first graced the driveway and having a ride that first weekend some, wow, was it 26 odd years ago........ :think: Never thought you would consider parting with it. Why dont you make it a track car for you and the boys and keep it in the family??
dont do something rash you may later regret!!
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Re: Latest purchase - bargain priced 190E 2.3

Post by Greg in Oz » Mon 11 Apr, 2011 11:46 pm

tips wrote:
Greg in Oz wrote: This however now means that I need to think about selling the 350SLC. It will hard to part with it after 28 years, but realistically, with all the other cars including the 500SLC, we really don't need the 350SLC any longer. I haven't even thought about advertising it yet, but if there is anyone here looking for a 350SLC requiring some work (mainly rust and paint), you have the first opportunity to give it some thought.

Greg
Greg,

The realisation of having to part with the 107 must have hurt. I remember the day it first graced the driveway and having a ride that first weekend some, wow, was it 26 odd years ago........ :think: Never thought you would consider parting with it. Why dont you make it a track car for you and the boys and keep it in the family??
dont do something rash you may later regret!!
S
Steven,

I purchased the 350SLC on 19 April 1983, almost exactly 28 years ago. I can remember when you rode in it when we drove it to the Hunter region for a rally. Was that when you were navigating for Ken in the Datto 1600 rally car and I was doing the service crew thing for you guys?

Yes, it will be hard to part with the 350SLC after all those years as it is very much a part of the family. It was through that car I became involved with the MB club and met a girl from interstate on a national rally who I ended up marrying. It's not so much that the purchase of the black 190E is forcing the sale of the 350SLC, just more a case of the 350 no longer having a defined role in the "fleet". The 500SLC is a very worthy successor to the 350 as the "weekend toy". The 350SLC has always been handy as a "spare" car on full registration in the event that either the 300TE or my white 190E has been off the road (a spare car is useful when you do all your own mechanical work), however the black 190E will fill this role nicely with the advantage of being a car that the boys will be able to drive when they get their P-plates (something not possible in the V8 SLC).

I hadn't really ever considered the 350SLC for a track car although I did for a while consider building it into a rally car, something along the lines of a replica of the 5 litre SLC factory rally cars. In reality though, to properly prepare it for special-stage forest rallying would be costly. Then there is the issue of storage space for it. Then there is the fact that as much as I'd enjoy going forest rallying, I am currently enjoying the far less costly classic rallies which can be driven in my standard 500SLC which performs that role perfectly.

There really isn't any justification for keeping the 350SLC.

Greg
107023 - 350SLC: 1973, 3sp auto, icon gold, parchment MBtex (sold July 2012 after 29 years ownership)
107026 - 500SLC: 1981, 4sp auto, thistle green, green velour
124090 - 300TE: 1990, 4sp auto, arctic white, cream-beige MBtex
124090 - 300TE: 1992, 4sp auto, malachite (spruce green), black MBtex
201024 - 190E-2.0: 1985, 5sp manual, black, black MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 5sp manual, arctic white, blue leather
201028 - 190E-2.3: 1992, 4sp auto, blueblack, grey MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 4sp auto, signal red, black cloth (parts car)
201034 - 190E-2.3-16 Cosworth: 1985, 5sp manual, blueblack, black leather
YG2S8 - Mini Clubman GT: 1972, 4sp manual, blue, parchment vinyl (my first car which I still own)

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Re: Latest purchase - bargain priced 190E 2.3

Post by tips » Fri 15 Apr, 2011 12:21 am

yeah Greg I think remember that rally it might have been sunny corner. Lots of wildlife that night, we pushed a wombat off the track with the front right wheel in the forrest section and someone went over a dead roo. Wow you could not get within 3 metres of that car without gaging it was a shocker.
You would have to do afair bit of suspension work on the 107 to get the beast high enough to manage the terrain in a forrest rally.
By the sound of it the SLC has to move over and make room. I am without doubt that you will ensure it goes to a good home.
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Re: Latest purchase - bargain priced 190E 2.3

Post by Greg in Oz » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 12:23 am

Just in case anyone thought I don't have enough 190Es after buying this one and then the 2.3-16 Cosworth, recently another one followed me home. See viewtopic.php?f=3&t=21969&p=158219
107023 - 350SLC: 1973, 3sp auto, icon gold, parchment MBtex (sold July 2012 after 29 years ownership)
107026 - 500SLC: 1981, 4sp auto, thistle green, green velour
124090 - 300TE: 1990, 4sp auto, arctic white, cream-beige MBtex
124090 - 300TE: 1992, 4sp auto, malachite (spruce green), black MBtex
201024 - 190E-2.0: 1985, 5sp manual, black, black MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 5sp manual, arctic white, blue leather
201028 - 190E-2.3: 1992, 4sp auto, blueblack, grey MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 4sp auto, signal red, black cloth (parts car)
201034 - 190E-2.3-16 Cosworth: 1985, 5sp manual, blueblack, black leather
YG2S8 - Mini Clubman GT: 1972, 4sp manual, blue, parchment vinyl (my first car which I still own)

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