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Experience with the 7" Pop up NTG4 Display system

Post by RF62 » Thu 14 Dec, 2017 1:22 am

Hi,

Has anyone here had experience with changing the original display on W204 (c class)? I want to have an uptodate GPS system. Therefore, I looked up how to change the current display and if it can be substituted. I found products such as the 7" Pop up NTG4 Display system. However, I'm not sure if they are reliable enough.

I am not a type that likes to change the original and mess with the car; but it is either this, or I have to change the car to a newer model. So, I wanted to see if anyone else has any experience with them?

Thanks :occasion5:

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Re: Experience with the 7" Pop up NTG4 Display system

Post by Ivanerrol » Thu 14 Dec, 2017 11:09 am

There's a module which plugs in to the earlier W204 command setup which gives you full functionality of an iPhone through command.
Your better off using the Iphone GPS or via Google Map GPS.

I'm chasing down the same module. Soundlabs may have a clue.
My 2009 W204 doesn't even have The Peninsula Link on it.
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Re: Experience with the 7" Pop up NTG4 Display system

Post by RF62 » Thu 14 Dec, 2017 3:06 pm

Ivanerrol wrote:
Thu 14 Dec, 2017 11:09 am
There's a module which plugs in to the earlier W204 command setup which gives you full functionality of an iPhone through command.
Your better off using the Iphone GPS or via Google Map GPS.

I'm chasing down the same module. Soundlabs may have a clue.
My 2009 W204 doesn't even have The Peninsula Link on it.
Thanks! Do you know the name of that module or the brand?

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Re: Experience with the 7" Pop up NTG4 Display system

Post by Ivanerrol » Thu 14 Dec, 2017 10:56 pm

Not yet. I've seen youtube videos of it.
It's a PCMCIA card plug in with bluetooth - interface with the iPhone.
The iPhone display comes up on the Command screen. Command becomes like a slave of the phone. Google maps GPS directions play through the command speakers.
Check this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvUK-5B8Qhk

I.M.H.O those new Command display screens in the latest C Classes look daggy. An amateur add on.

I don't know if you have seen those Moog and Marty youtube videos. They replaced the console in a Suby Outback with an old Ipad - Brilliant.
The iPad fitted straight in and looks like OEM

I don't know why Benz doesn't replace the whole center console with something generic like an iPad. All the car features could be controlled via this.
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Re: Experience with the 7" Pop up NTG4 Display system

Post by Tony From West Oz » Fri 15 Dec, 2017 12:23 am

Then their cars would be 'future proofed' and they wouldn't be able to charge exorbitant prices for parts which are quickly becoming NLA.
Life is a journey, with problems to solve, lessons to learn, but most of all, experiences to enjoy.

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Re: Experience with the 7" Pop up NTG4 Display system

Post by RF62 » Mon 18 Dec, 2017 12:57 pm

I don't think the car would be future proof, because even if they use the most sophisticated device today, it will need to be updated in 5 to 10 years (at most). The thing is, they don't like to involve other companies in their game, especially if they are a big name like Mercedes. However, they have to eventually accept to do this by creating partnerships with other companies. Else, they won't be able to stand against cars like Tesla. On the other hand, Apple was (or is) designing its own car. Therefore, it's a much more complicated game than what we might think.

I have seen that YouTube video about the GPS device, but the guy is just showing it without any further information and didn't even reply comments. I have not seen Moog and Marty, but I will watch it now that you mentioned them. I had the same idea before of integrating a smartphone or an iPad into a car by myself, but it needs technical information about how the car electricity system operates. It is not rocket science, but I heard if you get something wrong, it is very hard to correct it.

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Re: Experience with the 7" Pop up NTG4 Display system

Post by Ivanerrol » Mon 18 Dec, 2017 1:50 pm

Tesla will be gone within a few years.
It’s never made a profit and never will
When their investors get sick of pouring in billions for no return - kaput
The big boys are making electric cars and these can be subsidised by their ICE cars.
Electric cars make up a tiny proportion of production.
The Muskrat can’t even get his logistics and production together. The big boys have been doing just this for 100 years.
The only thing keeping muskrat alive is free money from the US Fed.
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Re: Experience with the 7" Pop up NTG4 Display system

Post by RF62 » Mon 18 Dec, 2017 3:26 pm

Ivanerrol wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 1:50 pm
Tesla will be gone within a few years.
It’s never made a profit and never will
When their investors get sick of pouring in billions for no return - kaput
The big boys are making electric cars and these can be subsidised by their ICE cars.
Electric cars make up a tiny proportion of production.
The Muskrat can’t even get his logistics and production together. The big boys have been doing just this for 100 years.
The only thing keeping muskrat alive is free money from the US Fed.
It seems you really hate Musk and electric cars! :smile: I personally respect him, since he is a game changer and a real entrepreneur.
Also, I think electric cars are here to stay and will conquer a huge section of the market soon. All great things usually have humble beginnings. However, I agree that Musk being new in a game that companies like Mercedes-Benz have been playing a major role for a long time, makes it very difficult for him and his company. Especially since the big oil companies are against him. Of course, as you mentioned, soon we'll see the electric Bezn (2019). I recommend you watch this documentary: "Who killed the electric car?" and its sequel: "The revenge of the electric car".

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Re: Experience with the 7" Pop up NTG4 Display system

Post by Ivanerrol » Mon 18 Dec, 2017 8:36 pm

RF62 wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 3:26 pm
Ivanerrol wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 1:50 pm
Tesla will be gone within a few years.
It’s never made a profit and never will
When their investors get sick of pouring in billions for no return - kaput
The big boys are making electric cars and these can be subsidised by their ICE cars.
Electric cars make up a tiny proportion of production.
The Muskrat can’t even get his logistics and production together. The big boys have been doing just this for 100 years.
The only thing keeping muskrat alive is free money from the US Fed.
It seems you really hate Musk and electric cars! :smile: I personally respect him, since he is a game changer and a real entrepreneur.
Also, I think electric cars are here to stay and will conquer a huge section of the market soon. All great things usually have humble beginnings. However, I agree that Musk being new in a game that companies like Mercedes-Benz have been playing a major role for a long time, makes it very difficult for him and his company. Especially since the big oil companies are against him. Of course, as you mentioned, soon we'll see the electric Bezn (2019). I recommend you watch this documentary: "Who killed the electric car?" and its sequel: "The revenge of the electric car".
Did you read this posting?
viewtopic.php?f=45&t=24593

Every time there is any hint of bad publicity for the Muskrat he comes out with some diversionary fluff.

Like the worlds biggest battery in SA (Will keep SA CBD going for exactly 18 minutes)
Electric Truck - shown to be ridiculous by the simple application of Physics.
Mars Base - Nasa who have spent untold Billions getting a man on the moon and who will require probably a trillion to get a man on Mars are usurped by a man who reckons he can do it for a billion or two - of other peoples money.

e.g. When asked why he cant get more then a few hundred Tesla "3"'s out the door he responds with "did you see the battery I built in S.A."?
And then asked why the disgruntled customers who laid a deposit down on their Tesla 3 and who now want their deposit back due to non delivery he responds with "have you seen the design for my big electric semi truck?".
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Re: Experience with the 7" Pop up NTG4 Display system

Post by Tony From West Oz » Mon 18 Dec, 2017 8:58 pm

Regardless of Tesla's performance, Electric cars are here to stay. It may take time to get a high market coverage, but it will get there. Australia has large distances between refueling stops and charging takes time. I see a trailer mounted generator towed behind an EV and a way to overcome the distance / recharge time issues. An automated start / stop feature would allow it to support the EV while minimising the fuel consumption / emissions.
Someone who develops this could hire them to travelers. A towball would need to be installedthough.
Swapable battery banks is another option.
Life is a journey, with problems to solve, lessons to learn, but most of all, experiences to enjoy.

'83 W123 300D 325000km (Wife's car Josephine - sold).
'84 W123 300D replaced good OM617 912 with OM617 952 and enjoyed having good acceleration for the first time since first driving a 300D in 2002 - became engine and trans donor for 300CD Turbodiesel conversion. Now parted out.
'86 W124 300D sold (Wife's old car - sold )
'85 W123 300CD, 275 000km (Fatmobile) rebuilt turbodiesel from previous Fatmobile transplanted into 280CE (occasional tourer)
'99 W202 C250 Turbodiesel (my darling Wife's car - Sold)
'98 W202 C250 Turbodiesel (my car - Sold)
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Re: Experience with the 7" Pop up NTG4 Display system

Post by Ivanerrol » Mon 18 Dec, 2017 9:24 pm

Tesla's superchargers are being rolled out around the country. There are already enough to get from Sydney to Melbourne - 3 stops required. - 25 - 60 minutes required to recharge. The Telsa marketing team have said you can enjoy this 1.5 - 3 hours extra time having coffee and going for a Pee.

Here's where the figures get rubbery.
Buy a new Tesla and they will give you 400Kw free per year - that works out - by their figures - about 1,600 km.s
After that you need to spend 38 cents a kilowatt.

So in their next statement they say a typical Melbourne - Sydney trip will use 85 kilowatts
So a return trip will use 170 kilowatts.
Hang on a minute - didn't they just state that 400Kw equals around 1600 km's.
Melbourne - Sydney return is in excess of 1600 km's

Some bad maths there already.

And then: Who pays for free charge at the Telsa Super Charger station? ........ Why the investors in Telsa do

Do you know how many millions of dollars Tesla burns through their investors capital per minute?

The free yearly kilowatt allocation is not likely to last long when the model "3" is supposed to be produced in large quantities.

A diesel C200 class can get up to 1,400 K's on a tank of fuel - especially on a Melbourne Sydney trip.
At 38 cents a Kw the C class is cheaper to run.
W211 - E240
W204 - C280
W210 - E240
Departed
W202 - C200, C180, C180
W126 - 380SE , 380SE (Ex SA Import), 560SEL
W124 - 300e, 260e (ex Japan)
W111 220s (Indonesia) 4 speed manual column shift
W123 230
W116 450SEL
W140 420SEL
W210 E240
W209 CLK 240
W201 190e 2.6 (ex U.K.)

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Re: Experience with the 7" Pop up NTG4 Display system

Post by RF62 » Tue 19 Dec, 2017 5:30 pm

Sometimes what we do (or in this case have to do), might not be related to our own comfort, sake or pocket. I believe in case of electric cars, it is the same. We (as people of earth) should go towards clean energy, even if we come across some problems along the way.

BTW, I think our discussions are going off-topic, maybe we have to move to 'off-topic discussions' before a moderator comes to kick us out! :pale:

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