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Post by aleks001 » Tue 12 Sep, 2017 3:57 pm

Quick background story, purchased a 2002 CLK 320 W209 chassis. ( got a fantastic deal because car needs quite a bit of work). Anyway I decided to buy it as a fun project car and have been getting the shock of my life for some of the part prices MB has provided. I contacted the forum owner as well and in their credit their prices are a lot better than MB's. I'm almost certain that MB Australia is trying to kill of the used car market here and making it so no one would ever want a used MB, probably explains why a car in 2002 costing 130K+ is now worth $8K-$15K depending on condition.

I needed to purchase the two plastic side covers of the dashboard. I'm talking about this:
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How much could such a piece possibly cost you wonder. It is literally a piece of ABS plastic. I normally buy all my parts from the USA. In the US you can get this part for ... wait for it around $10-$15 per corner. Thinking to myself that we normally are ripped of here by around 30 to 50% from my past experience with comparing BMW, MB parts here and in the US I was expecting at worst these parts to cost $50-$80 each. Even that I wasn't willing to pay because it literally is just some plastic, but I thought I'd ask for a quote and boy was I in for a shock.

Wait for it. MB for these two covers wants: $406.20

That is about 20x what it costs in the US for these covers. I really don't know how they can get away with this. This is literally why used car prices here of these german cars plummit like stones, people are literally too scared to own them and rightfully so. I've been looking some w221's as it's my dream car, just seen how the market is going etc probably over the last 2 years and the vast majority of them are still for sale 2 years on, they aren't even asking for ridiculous prices but people won't touch them and I can only imagine their part prices here.

Rant over :D

Also wonder, what crazy quotes have you gotten from MB here or any dealer really ?

For those wondering, these guys are fantastic for genuine parts (USA), shipping is quite reasonable to AUS:
https://www.genuinenewparts.com/

For oem/oe and some geniune parts from the states
fcpeuro.com and eeuroparts.com are great as well. Literally usually saving 50% plus.

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Post by Ivanerrol » Tue 12 Sep, 2017 10:37 pm

eeuroparts are a little expensive on the postage. It pays to load up the cart before buying.
I bought some suspensions parts for the W204 from eeuroparts. Total including postage was one tenth of the stealership price. MB parts. not OEM or copies.
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Post by aleks001 » Wed 13 Sep, 2017 9:30 am

They are but they are getting better. They also seem to have coupons out most of the time to save even further: https://www.eeuroparts.com/Main/Coupons.php

On top of all of this if you get a citibank savings account there are no international transaction fees so it literally starts to work out amazing.

Prices here are an absolute joke.

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Post by aleks001 » Wed 13 Sep, 2017 9:32 am

Ivanerrol wrote:
Tue 12 Sep, 2017 10:37 pm
eeuroparts are a little expensive on the postage. It pays to load up the cart before buying.
I bought some suspensions parts for the W204 from eeuroparts. Total including postage was one tenth of the stealership price. MB parts. not OEM or copies.
I suggest you try those genuinenewparts guys for MB parts they are the cheapest I have found. They must be an MB stealership wholesalling somewhere. Postage is pretty good to. They are usually about 10%-20% cheaper than all the onsellers like fcp, eeuro and ecstuning.

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Post by kimrh » Wed 13 Sep, 2017 10:21 am

MB dealers work on this crazy notion that if the car was expensive new then all the parts no matter how small need to always be retailed at expensive prices to maintain the status quo and ensure they get a very hefty mark up in the process seeming they order all the parts from their distribution warehouses - on-shore and off-shore in Singapore & Germany at a fraction of the asking retail price.
They want you to give up the car and throw it away to a wrecking yard and buy one of their own new or used cars on the lot.
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Post by aleks001 » Wed 13 Sep, 2017 4:30 pm

kimrh wrote:
Wed 13 Sep, 2017 10:21 am
MB dealers work on this crazy notion that if the car was expensive new then all the parts no matter how small need to always be retailed at expensive prices to maintain the status quo and ensure they get a very hefty mark up in the process seeming they order all the parts from their distribution warehouses - on-shore and off-shore in Singapore & Germany at a fraction of the asking retail price.
They want you to give up the car and throw it away to a wrecking yard and buy one of their own new or used cars on the lot.
I understand that to a degree but they have to be realistic as well depending on what part of the car it is and what it actually costs them to manufacture a part. I don't expect to pay the same part prices for a $120K MB and a $40K jap car, but at the same time I don't expect them to treat their customers like idiots and just make up insane prices because they think they can. If they can sell it for 10 usd dollars at a profit I'm sure if they sold it here for $25-$30 that would still be a decent profit for them. Instead they set a price that no one in their right mind would pay.

These cars are old and are being bought for cheap which to start of with means no one will spend that kind of money. If I'm also looking at spending 10-20K on a car there is no way i will be considering 65K+ for a new one, so really who are they attracting with this policy. In fact it just puts me off buying a new one even more because I know in advance if I want to keep it for long it will cost me and arm and a leg. On top of it all MB (to me anyway) is not really that prestigious of a brand anymore. I literally see more C-classes on the road today than most japenese sedans. They have heavily diluted their brand with their crappy A, B, CLA etc anything really that you can get into for less than $50K. Today you can easily specify a commodore or average Japanese sedan to 65-75K, well into the C-class money, yet somehow if you call for pricing for parts on the two products they are worlds apart.

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Post by T-Modell » Wed 13 Sep, 2017 6:05 pm

Hi,
I'm really not the MB defender here, but you have a 15 year-old car and look for a special dashboard piece ... how big are the chances, that you get that from your manufacturer with other brands? I guess (yes guess, I don't know), if you go to Toyota or similar and ask for such a part, they send you to the wrecker. At least it's available here.

Prices ... hmm ... as mentioned before, I'm pretty sure there's an intern at MB with a huge dice and types in the prices ...
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Post by aleks001 » Wed 13 Sep, 2017 8:36 pm

T-Modell wrote:
Wed 13 Sep, 2017 6:05 pm
Hi,
I'm really not the MB defender here, but you have a 15 year-old car and look for a special dashboard piece ... how big are the chances, that you get that from your manufacturer with other brands? I guess (yes guess, I don't know), if you go to Toyota or similar and ask for such a part, they send you to the wrecker. At least it's available here.

Prices ... hmm ... as mentioned before, I'm pretty sure there's an intern at MB with a huge dice and types in the prices ...
Thomas
I would like to argue this :D

1. The car may be 15 years old, but it was the first of the series, production ended in 2009. So technically parts were still being produced only 8 years ago. (The part I need is definitely the same across the entire 209 chassis)

2. I've heard this argument many times that you can not get parts for old Japanese cars, while this is true for maybe 20-30 year old cars I personally have not had any trouble getting new parts (interior or exterior) for jap cars that were 10-15 years old. Now where this age cut of is I don't know, but I'm just talking from my own experience.

3. If your 15 year old rule was true then why is the US still paying $10 for this part, I cant imagine that it cost much less 15 years ago.

I totally agree with you about how the prices are set though here lol

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Post by kimrh » Wed 13 Sep, 2017 10:27 pm

Those trim pieces would be a perfect example of getting 3-D printed in plastic.
An initial cardboard mock up could be shaped and scanned.
Thomas and one of our members here is right into this sort of work
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Post by CraigB » Wed 13 Sep, 2017 11:20 pm

The real criminal in all this is not 'Mercedes' but 'Mercedes Australia/Pacific' - isn't it? I would assume 'Mercedes US' and 'Mercedes Aus/Pacific' both source parts from Mercedes but the latter think it is reasonable to slug us with multiples of mark up over what the US do. I remember when i first started about 20 years ago thinking how reasonable prices were including dealer - often things cheaper than i thought and always available. Somewhere along the line it has got crazier and crazier. I'm sure the strategy above of pricing parts to the point that the cars are disposable is in their minds to increase new car sales, but at a stage in life where i possibly could buy a new Benz I would not even consider it for that very reason. I remember long ago when it was common practice for old guys on retirement to buy a flash new car that they can 'nurse' from new with the thought of it 'seeing them through'. Now it seems to me just buying a future huge repair bill that will force me in a cycle of buying yet another short lived piece of crap!
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Post by Ivanerrol » Wed 13 Sep, 2017 11:47 pm

It could be Singapore.

I needed to source some air suspension parts for a mates GLS450. He is in Brunei.
His price in Brunei was US$2,000.00 per end ex Singapore.
I called eeuroparts. The guy I spoke to in Connecticut had never heard of Brunei :dance:
We ended up sourcing four Arnott's ends at US$750 each plus shipping. Less $200.00 each for return of the faulty ones.
All up cost US$2,800 for four corners after shipping costs.
The parts were in Brunei in 4 days. Arrived in the morning and the car was mobile by the afternoon.

I spoke to MB spares about this. There prices were relatively competitive compared to Stealership prices but the shipping costs from Australia to Brunei was horrendous.
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Post by aleks001 » Thu 14 Sep, 2017 10:13 am

Ivanerrol wrote:
Wed 13 Sep, 2017 11:47 pm
It could be Singapore.

I needed to source some air suspension parts for a mates GLS450. He is in Brunei.
His price in Brunei was US$2,000.00 per end ex Singapore.
I called eeuroparts. The guy I spoke to in Connecticut had never heard of Brunei :dance:
We ended up sourcing four Arnott's ends at US$750 each plus shipping. Less $200.00 each for return of the faulty ones.
All up cost US$2,800 for four corners after shipping costs.
The parts were in Brunei in 4 days. Arrived in the morning and the car was mobile by the afternoon.

I spoke to MB spares about this. There prices were relatively competitive compared to Stealership prices but the shipping costs from Australia to Brunei was horrendous.
You can't compare arnott's suspension with what MB is charging. They are completely different things. These air shocks are expensive no matter where you go, even in the US they are about $1000-$1300 USD depending on where you go per corner. Even the non MB branded Bilstein (OEM) are really expensive, just how it is unfortunately. Although I can imagine they are $2000-$3000 per shock in Australia.

When I heard that MB was offering Air suspension in the W205 I was a little surprised, some used car owners are going to have the shock of their life when it comes time for replacement. I personally would avoid the W205 with the air suspension option like the plague. I also find it very funny that the shock will cost the same for a $70K c class and a $200K S class, get them to try and justify that lol

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Post by aleks001 » Thu 14 Sep, 2017 10:16 am

CraigB wrote:
Wed 13 Sep, 2017 11:20 pm
The real criminal in all this is not 'Mercedes' but 'Mercedes Australia/Pacific' - isn't it? I would assume 'Mercedes US' and 'Mercedes Aus/Pacific' both source parts from Mercedes but the latter think it is reasonable to slug us with multiples of mark up over what the US do. I remember when i first started about 20 years ago thinking how reasonable prices were including dealer - often things cheaper than i thought and always available. Somewhere along the line it has got crazier and crazier. I'm sure the strategy above of pricing parts to the point that the cars are disposable is in their minds to increase new car sales, but at a stage in life where i possibly could buy a new Benz I would not even consider it for that very reason. I remember long ago when it was common practice for old guys on retirement to buy a flash new car that they can 'nurse' from new with the thought of it 'seeing them through'. Now it seems to me just buying a future huge repair bill that will force me in a cycle of buying yet another short lived piece of crap!
100% the problem is Mercedes Australia/Pacific. Very greedy business model they are running. I couldn't agree with you more that cars have become throw away items. You really can't buy a car anymore, where you go look I'll spend 100-200K on a car but I will last me for a good 20 years without any serious problems. These days if you get anything over 5 years it's considered a good run.

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Post by Ivanerrol » Fri 15 Sep, 2017 12:46 am

MB GL Airshocks are Arnotts. Bilsteins are aftermarket.
GL's are made in the US
The price has come back considerably in the last couple of years.
You can either buy new airshocks and send back your old cores as changeover or buy rebuilt units and send back your old ones.
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Post by CraigB » Fri 15 Sep, 2017 9:30 am

That's interesting about Arnott's. They do aftermarket air suspension stuff for Land Rovers but quite reasonably priced and much better and longer lasting than the standard stuff.
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Post by Mercmad » Fri 15 Sep, 2017 11:13 am

Arnotts agent in Australia is 3 point classic at mt Gravatt in Brisbane . They have most parts on the shelf.

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Post by aleks001 » Fri 15 Sep, 2017 12:38 pm

Ivanerrol wrote:
Fri 15 Sep, 2017 12:46 am
MB GL Airshocks are Arnotts. Bilsteins are aftermarket.
GL's are made in the US
The price has come back considerably in the last couple of years.
You can either buy new airshocks and send back your old cores as changeover or buy rebuilt units and send back your old ones.
I had no idea, i just always assumed they rebuilt old shocks and sold them on.

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Post by redlaser » Thu 21 Sep, 2017 10:40 am

It's not only MB guys...all the car agents auto parts are expensive..it's their bread and butter..it behoves the enthusiast to source cheaper parts to highlight these robbers!!

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Post by KimB » Thu 21 Sep, 2017 11:34 am

In 35 years of owning Mercedes cars (W108, W116, 3 x W126s) I have only once bought any parts from a Mecedes stealership. That was for a pair of plastic headlight protective covers for the 1976 W116 280SE.

Apart from that, I have sourced from the US, MB Spares and other sources in Australia.

I have steered well clear of dealerships, they are a pack of robber barons.

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Post by Ivanerrol » Thu 21 Sep, 2017 12:27 pm

IMHO
It pays to give the stealership a call when ordering some parts.
Some MB parts are cheaper than internet prices.
It doesn't hurt just to give them a call.

When prices are over - they are really over.
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Post by aleks001 » Thu 21 Sep, 2017 4:12 pm

I personally will never be calling them ever again, not even for an oil filter. Why would I want to support a company who's only intention is to rob you blind.

This goes for any Australian stealership really. When I called mazda once for an intake manifold they wanted $1200. USA - $250+$100 shipping. Rear wheel hubs = $700. USA - 70$+100$ shipping. All the same crap here, avoid at all costs they do not deserve to make any money and I hope they all fold one day, I will not loose a moment of sleep, but lets face it with a population that is caring less and less about maintaining their own cars and more about financing a new car every 5 years, I don't think they going to loose any sleep over my opinion either lol

The only difference between the japanese and european manufacturers is that the japanese cars seem to just last longer than the euros without any major maintenance so people think they cost less to own, but if you had to replace all the things you have to replace in a euro car, people would be shocked with their pricing as well. Euro cars just seem to eat through their suspension components, love to leak oil for some reason and usually require special fluids that cost stupid money, not because they actually need this fluid but because only a handful of manufacturers bothered to get the correct approvals for their fluids.

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Post by gjlockyer » Fri 22 Sep, 2017 3:03 am

Just had the Gear Linkage bushes replaced in my W124. I thought there was only one needed so I added one to a larger order from FCPEuro in the US. (whose freight costs are exceptionally good!) Paid AU$1.90 for it - its very light so didn't add anything to the freight cost of the whole order. Of course I needed two. My mechanic charged me for the other one at his cost - $9.30!
12 months back I ordered a set of 6 Bosch fuel injectors and MB Seals, O rings and plastic sleeves, also from FCPEuro . US prices? $164 for the parts, $38 for freight. = AU$278 ($254 on present exchange rate as at 21/09/17) The quote from a Stealership for the exact same parts? $725. If I lived in the States the order would have been freight free. FCPEuro also offer a lifetime guarantee on ALL their parts - even on maintenance items such as oil / air filter and brake pads! All you have to do is freight the old parts back - if freighted after the purchase of replacement parts, they will credit your account. The freight cost from Australia to return most parts would make this less attractive; almost makes me want to emigrate!
An interesting aside: the labels on most parts from FCPEuro indicates that they source their parts from Mercedes Dealerships in the US!
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Post by Christo C » Fri 22 Sep, 2017 9:01 am

Gary, it actually pays to shop around for specific parts as required....
For example I recently needed a KE JETRONIC GOVERNOR (EHA VALVE) (REPAIR KIT) Part no 000 070 39 62

FCPEuro price US$276.89 + US$32.66 standard freight ~ AU$390.24 (22/09/17)
Another Sydney supplier AU$324.50 + freight
Sponsor AU$295.00 + freight
Bosch Australia online store AU$274.20 with FREE Delivery

but I should add that typically the Sponsor provides competitive prices with overnight delivery.... and although I live a few hundred metres from MB-Sydney I never venture in there since they tried to charge me $17 for a 5c part; anyway they all wear ties which makes me very suspicious.
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Post by gjlockyer » Fri 22 Sep, 2017 11:48 am

Agreed Christo - I always check local sources and I do source parts from MB Spares if the prices are in the ballpark or if I need something in a hurry. As an example of shopping around locally, I just had delivered, post free, a genuine Bosch Dissy Cap for $85 from an online supplier in Newcastle NSW. That was about $60 better than anything here or overseas - that I could find for a Bosch unit.
No one likes paying over the top, but as a just retired (forced by health) pensioner, sourcing parts as cheaply as possible is the only way I can keep indulging a 45 year obsession with old Mercs. Truth be told, we could survive with just one car, but so much has changed for me recently, that I am determined (within limits) to keep driving and enjoying my old car as long as possible - cheap spares and my own labour (somewhat restricted, darn it!) make it do-able.
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Post by Bartman4800 » Fri 22 Sep, 2017 12:16 pm

Mercedes Oz is not helping itself in the NEW CAR MARKET either, have a read here:

https://autoexpert.com.au/buying-a-car/ ... uy-warning

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Post by Ivanerrol » Fri 22 Sep, 2017 12:55 pm

gjlockyer wrote:
Fri 22 Sep, 2017 3:03 am
Just had the Gear Linkage bushes replaced in my W124. I thought there was only one needed so I added one to a larger order from FCPEuro in the US. (whose freight costs are exceptionally good!) Paid AU$1.90 for it - its very light so didn't add anything to the freight cost of the whole order. Of course I needed two. My mechanic charged me for the other one at his cost - $9.30!
12 months back I ordered a set of 6 Bosch fuel injectors and MB Seals, O rings and plastic sleeves, also from FCPEuro . US prices? $164 for the parts, $38 for freight. = AU$278 ($254 on present exchange rate as at 21/09/17) The quote from a Stealership for the exact same parts? $725. If I lived in the States the order would have been freight free. FCPEuro also offer a lifetime guarantee on ALL their parts - even on maintenance items such as oil / air filter and brake pads! All you have to do is freight the old parts back - if freighted after the purchase of replacement parts, they will credit your account. The freight cost from Australia to return most parts would make this less attractive; almost makes me want to emigrate!
An interesting aside: the labels on most parts from FCPEuro indicates that they source their parts from Mercedes Dealerships in the US!
You can buy Bosch KE injectors with the seals from a Sydney supplier $36 each with $11.00 shipping.
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Post by aleks001 » Fri 22 Sep, 2017 9:14 pm

Bartman4800 wrote:
Fri 22 Sep, 2017 12:16 pm
Mercedes Oz is not helping itself in the NEW CAR MARKET either, have a read here:

https://autoexpert.com.au/buying-a-car/ ... uy-warning

Bart
This guy is a massive douche. He has got such a hard on for the european brands. Although i dont question the story he published it is no different to many car manufacturers here. The industry as whole has a problem in Australia to single out MB is unfair. I dont know how many of you are aware of the toyota camry and subaru engines burning excessive oil. Most owners got shafted. The very fact that the industry is allowed to state that a new car burning 1l of oil per 1000 kms is within acceptable limits shows how weak the laws are and until we have a proper lemon laws, its not going to get any better.

Try returning any car im Australia that has a problem and see how well you do. I can pretty much guarantee you they will show you the door.

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Post by TheMadRacoon » Fri 22 Sep, 2017 10:55 pm

aleks001 wrote:
Fri 22 Sep, 2017 9:14 pm
The very fact that the industry is allowed to state that a new car burning 1l of oil per 1000 kms is within acceptable limits shows how weak the laws are and until we have a proper lemon laws, its not going to get any better.
It does sound excessive but iirc my old w114 owners manual stated this same rate? Of course that was for '60s technology released in the early 70s. Progress?
aleks001 wrote:
Fri 22 Sep, 2017 9:14 pm
Try returning any car im Australia that has a problem and see how well you do. I can pretty much guarantee you they will show you the door.
It depends on how much they need you. We had a dual clutch Fiesta, and though the maintenance manager tried to fob me off a few times, when confronted with the facts he couldn't argue, and the seal leaks on the gearbox were so wide spread, apparently, Ford would have lost a lot of repeat business. It took a long time to get parts and get in the queue for repairs but we got a near free replacement loan car and an extended warranty on the replacement parts. I was happy with the outcome but felt if it wasn't a widespread problem then I wouldn't have had the same outcome.
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Post by aleks001 » Sat 23 Sep, 2017 11:27 am

TheMadRacoon wrote:
Fri 22 Sep, 2017 10:55 pm
aleks001 wrote:
Fri 22 Sep, 2017 9:14 pm
The very fact that the industry is allowed to state that a new car burning 1l of oil per 1000 kms is within acceptable limits shows how weak the laws are and until we have a proper lemon laws, its not going to get any better.
It does sound excessive but iirc my old w114 owners manual stated this same rate? Of course that was for '60s technology released in the early 70s. Progress?
aleks001 wrote:
Fri 22 Sep, 2017 9:14 pm
Try returning any car im Australia that has a problem and see how well you do. I can pretty much guarantee you they will show you the door.
It depends on how much they need you. We had a dual clutch Fiesta, and though the maintenance manager tried to fob me off a few times, when confronted with the facts he couldn't argue, and the seal leaks on the gearbox were so wide spread, apparently, Ford would have lost a lot of repeat business. It took a long time to get parts and get in the queue for repairs but we got a near free replacement loan car and an extended warranty on the replacement parts. I was happy with the outcome but felt if it wasn't a widespread problem then I wouldn't have had the same outcome.
You got lucky my friend. This is one of the worst cases of the car industry screwing customers. In fact this whole ford transmission issue was so bad that the ACCC is currently in court with Ford over the problems. I hope they get destroyed so it sets a precedent but most likely it will be a slap on the wrist.

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Post by Bartman4800 » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 6:03 pm

aleks001 wrote:
Fri 22 Sep, 2017 9:14 pm
Bartman4800 wrote:
Fri 22 Sep, 2017 12:16 pm
Mercedes Oz is not helping itself in the NEW CAR MARKET either, have a read here:

https://autoexpert.com.au/buying-a-car/ ... uy-warning

Bart
This guy is a massive douche. He has got such a hard on for the european brands. Although i dont question the story he published it is no different to many car manufacturers here. The industry as whole has a problem in Australia to single out MB is unfair. I dont know how many of you are aware of the toyota camry and subaru engines burning excessive oil. Most owners got shafted. The very fact that the industry is allowed to state that a new car burning 1l of oil per 1000 kms is within acceptable limits shows how weak the laws are and until we have a proper lemon laws, its not going to get any better.

Try returning any car im Australia that has a problem and see how well you do. I can pretty much guarantee you they will show you the door.
I agree John Cadogan is very outspoken, and sometimes blunt (but so am I)
But I have the utmost respect for people who row against the current and point out what others fail to do.
He is correct when he says that 90% of the car journalists never really write badly about a new car, in fear of their next paycheck.
Have you ever heard through the mainstrain car mags that the Holden C(r)aptiva is an absolute shitbox? I first heard about Ford's powershit debacle (and the way they covered it up) through him. You can hardly call Ford a European car. Yes, the focus is designed in Germany, but built in Thailand.
Most of the (Opel) Holdens are built in Eastern Europe or further beyond.
According to what you wrote above you actually agree with JC, so why call him a DB?
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Post by Bartman4800 » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 6:54 pm

It is not just MB.

I own a VAG (2002 VW Passat)

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/audi-v ... 078103113e

A stupid rubber cap to close up the camshaft end costs me 1.99 usd from FCP euro (for an OEM part).
Price from the local stealership??? 41.18 AUD

Including conversion rate, that is 3268% markup....


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Post by aleks001 » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 8:39 pm

Bartman4800 wrote:
Tue 26 Sep, 2017 6:03 pm
aleks001 wrote:
Fri 22 Sep, 2017 9:14 pm
Bartman4800 wrote:
Fri 22 Sep, 2017 12:16 pm
Mercedes Oz is not helping itself in the NEW CAR MARKET either, have a read here:

https://autoexpert.com.au/buying-a-car/ ... uy-warning

Bart
This guy is a massive douche. He has got such a hard on for the european brands. Although i dont question the story he published it is no different to many car manufacturers here. The industry as whole has a problem in Australia to single out MB is unfair. I dont know how many of you are aware of the toyota camry and subaru engines burning excessive oil. Most owners got shafted. The very fact that the industry is allowed to state that a new car burning 1l of oil per 1000 kms is within acceptable limits shows how weak the laws are and until we have a proper lemon laws, its not going to get any better.

Try returning any car im Australia that has a problem and see how well you do. I can pretty much guarantee you they will show you the door.
I agree John Cadogan is very outspoken, and sometimes blunt (but so am I)
But I have the utmost respect for people who row against the current and point out what others fail to do.
He is correct when he says that 90% of the car journalists never really write badly about a new car, in fear of their next paycheck.
Have you ever heard through the mainstrain car mags that the Holden C(r)aptiva is an absolute shitbox? I first heard about Ford's powershit debacle (and the way they covered it up) through him. You can hardly call Ford a European car. Yes, the focus is designed in Germany, but built in Thailand.
Most of the (Opel) Holdens are built in Eastern Europe or further beyond.
According to what you wrote above you actually agree with JC, so why call him a DB?
He is a DB back ive watched him from a lot earlier for some reason he felt the need to insult muslims and religious people to get his point across. There were also cases of him insulting nations based on stereotypes, thats when i switched off. Just no need for that kind of crap.

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Post by aleks001 » Tue 26 Sep, 2017 8:43 pm

Bartman4800 wrote:
Tue 26 Sep, 2017 6:54 pm
It is not just MB.

I own a VAG (2002 VW Passat)

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/audi-v ... 078103113e

A stupid rubber cap to close up the camshaft end costs me 1.99 usd from FCP euro (for an OEM part).
Price from the local stealership??? 41.18 AUD

Including conversion rate, that is 3268% markup....


Bart
Thats insane. Im seriously considering dumping all my euro cars for life to be honest with you. This kind of crap drives me crazy. I was thinking of getting a w221 as a last german car but now reading about the balance shaft issues it has almost put me of all euros. Just the same crap over and over again. I like to keep my cars for long and the germans seem to have forgotten how to build cars to last. How mercedes went from building cars that were borderline tanks to cara that cant make it 5 years without serious repairs I'll never know.

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Post by Bartman4800 » Wed 27 Sep, 2017 4:24 pm

It was even worse. When I arrived they slapped another 10% GST on top. 73 aud for 2 caps that cost about 50 cents to produce, if that.

I told the cocky parts manager that price was a rip off and he could keep them.
Happy hunting on Ebay, he shouted after me....


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Post by aleks001 » Thu 28 Sep, 2017 9:46 am

Bartman4800 wrote:
Wed 27 Sep, 2017 4:24 pm
It was even worse. When I arrived they slapped another 10% GST on top. 73 aud for 2 caps that cost about 50 cents to produce, if that.

I told the cocky parts manager that price was a rip off and he could keep them.
Happy hunting on Ebay, he shouted after me....


Bart
Yeah the arrogance is really amazing isn't it. It's like they have no clue there is a US market overtaking the Australian one. With FCP euro's shipping prices there is literally no need to shop in Australia anymore. I think they also don't understand what a negative image they are creating for themselves with these kind of prices and it shows with their used cars prices. All the euros depreciate literally like stones and they really should considering how scared they make people to own them out of warranty. I bought a 2006 BMW 325i for 22K that was 5 years old. The car retailed for 75+K in 2006, as it was the first year as well I doubt any discounts were given, god knows what the driveaway price would have come to. That's over $10,000 a year in depreciation alone, absolute insanity. The used car market shows what things are really worth doesn't it.

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Post by Ludwig » Thu 28 Sep, 2017 1:35 pm

A Toyota HiLux costs around $10,000 more than an equivalent Holden Colorado. The gap between those two and other makes is even greater. guess which one(s) have the highest re-sale values. The Japanese aren't crazy. they know that quality always wins.
My personalised number plates "QUALITY". Oh and by the way............they're for sale if anyone is interested.
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Post by TheMadRacoon » Thu 28 Sep, 2017 9:48 pm

Just think, there's a parallel universe somewhere where after the W126 and W124 nothing's fundamentally changed, only that they're getting even better and we're all pining after the latest Benz, raving about its technology AND reliability and individuality ...and moaning that with their still low depreciation we may as well join the waiting list for a new one.... we'll get our money back anyway.

Pity one decision somewhere along the line changed all that and we live in THIS universe :-(
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Post by Ivanerrol » Fri 29 Sep, 2017 12:13 am

TheMadRacoon wrote:
Thu 28 Sep, 2017 9:48 pm
Pity one decision somewhere along the line changed all that and we live in THIS universe :-(
The decision is this. Engineered Like No Other Car was changed to Marketed Like No Other Car.

The latter taking advantage of the former.

In the defence of MB. It that decision hadn't been taken they probably would not be existing today - or owned by some other company who would be trading on the badge.

Car companies live on the fickleness of the US market.

The Auto industry is not a Robinson Crusoe. When the Engineers working in collaboration with the Bean Counters are pushed out by the marketers rash decisions such as selling Future Technology (always a cardinal sin) this only leads to a downward path.

Of course uneducated politicians imposing ridiculous non engineered, costed or thought out regulations on any market is another bugbear. :bs:
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Post by TheMadRacoon » Fri 29 Sep, 2017 9:02 pm

Ivanerrol wrote:
Fri 29 Sep, 2017 12:13 am

The decision is this. Engineered Like No Other Car was changed to Marketed Like No Other Car.

The latter taking advantage of the former.

In the defence of MB. It that decision hadn't been taken they probably would not be existing today - or owned by some other company who would be trading on the badge.

Car companies live on the fickleness of the US market.
Yes, but Daimler-Benz was very profitable when they made the W124 and W126. After the initial impact of the '86 BMW 7-Series, the S-Class, iirc was still selling well. In the mid-80s the prediction was there'd be 6 car companies in the 2000s, one of which was DB.

You're right, it was the Marketing dept (though DB always had marketted their cars well) with the first blunder being that DB needed a 'new' corporate face. What for? Could nobody recognise a Benz?

Maybe Lexus did scare them into thinking they needed market share. Then came the A-Class. Why did they need that? (As a platform for hydrogen cars?) VW fired back their first warning shot by putting DBs new corporate face on their facelifted Polo.

At the same time visible and under the skin quality declined, and the rest is history.
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Post by aleks001 » Fri 29 Sep, 2017 9:28 pm

TheMadRacoon wrote:
Fri 29 Sep, 2017 9:02 pm
Ivanerrol wrote:
Fri 29 Sep, 2017 12:13 am

The decision is this. Engineered Like No Other Car was changed to Marketed Like No Other Car.

The latter taking advantage of the former.

In the defence of MB. It that decision hadn't been taken they probably would not be existing today - or owned by some other company who would be trading on the badge.

Car companies live on the fickleness of the US market.
Yes, but Daimler-Benz was very profitable when they made the W124 and W126. After the initial impact of the '86 BMW 7-Series, the S-Class, iirc was still selling well. In the mid-80s the prediction was there'd be 6 car companies in the 2000s, one of which was DB.

You're right, it was the Marketing dept (though DB always had marketted their cars well) with the first blunder being that DB needed a 'new' corporate face. What for? Could nobody recognise a Benz?

Maybe Lexus did scare them into thinking they needed market share. Then came the A-Class. Why did they need that? (As a platform for hydrogen cars?) VW fired back their first warning shot by putting DBs new corporate face on their facelifted Polo.

At the same time visible and under the skin quality declined, and the rest is history.
The irony of it all is that they probably selling more cars now then they ever have. It seems image is the number 1 priority to MB customers these days.

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Post by stefcep » Fri 29 Sep, 2017 10:05 pm

W202 Oxygen sensor: stealership $880, online $90. MAF Sensor: Stealer $550; online $165.

In terms of build quality, i'm seeing cost cutting in all brands. Even Lexus: The current IS and GS interiors do not feel as premium as the previous generation, which IMO were also superior to anything the Germans made, model for model. But they're all cutting costs

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Post by Ivanerrol » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 11:00 am

TheMadRacoon wrote:
Fri 29 Sep, 2017 9:02 pm

Maybe Lexus did scare them into thinking they needed market share. Then came the A-Class. Why did they need that? (As a platform for hydrogen cars?)
Lexarse was a shot across the bows for all the Euro's especially DB and BMW.
As I mentioned the US is a fickle market. The majority of their buyers want a comfortable gadget rather than outright quality.
Their prices in the early nineties were a third of what Ozzies paid and their finance packages meant you walked from one new car lease to another with very little price penalty. Even into the 2000's price inequality was ridiculous. I bought a new 2004 CLK - it was AU$100,000. The same car was AU$42,000 in the US.

However.
It must be qualified : Luxury or Quality. The W123 wasn't the most luxurious car but were really "engineered Like no other car"
99% of motoring commentators and experts would probably rate the W123 as the best mass produced car ever made
Some markets are based on perceived "Luxury" or Snob value rather than sheer quality.

The Australian market expects price to = quality. The Labour government even introduced the envy tax - Luxury car Tax. or Quality car tax.
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Post by aleks001 » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 10:12 pm

stefcep wrote:
Fri 29 Sep, 2017 10:05 pm
W202 Oxygen sensor: stealership $880, online $90. MAF Sensor: Stealer $550; online $165.

In terms of build quality, i'm seeing cost cutting in all brands. Even Lexus: The current IS and GS interiors do not feel as premium as the previous generation, which IMO were also superior to anything the Germans made, model for model. But they're all cutting costs
Every one of these ridiculous quotes I see pushes me closer to a Toyota Camry lol

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Post by stefcep » Sat 30 Sep, 2017 11:11 pm

aleks001 wrote:
Sat 30 Sep, 2017 10:12 pm
stefcep wrote:
Fri 29 Sep, 2017 10:05 pm
W202 Oxygen sensor: stealership $880, online $90. MAF Sensor: Stealer $550; online $165.

In terms of build quality, i'm seeing cost cutting in all brands. Even Lexus: The current IS and GS interiors do not feel as premium as the previous generation, which IMO were also superior to anything the Germans made, model for model. But they're all cutting costs
Every one of these ridiculous quotes I see pushes me closer to a Toyota Camry lol
The only reason i can think why you would say that is because you have never stepped inside a Lexus.

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Post by aleks001 » Sun 01 Oct, 2017 10:42 am

stefcep wrote:
Sat 30 Sep, 2017 11:11 pm
aleks001 wrote:
Sat 30 Sep, 2017 10:12 pm
stefcep wrote:
Fri 29 Sep, 2017 10:05 pm
W202 Oxygen sensor: stealership $880, online $90. MAF Sensor: Stealer $550; online $165.

In terms of build quality, i'm seeing cost cutting in all brands. Even Lexus: The current IS and GS interiors do not feel as premium as the previous generation, which IMO were also superior to anything the Germans made, model for model. But they're all cutting costs
Every one of these ridiculous quotes I see pushes me closer to a Toyota Camry lol
The only reason i can think why you would say that is because you have never stepped inside a Lexus.
2 reasons. Lexus parts are not cheap either and thirdly im getting over spending any serious money on cars. It might be time a car becomes just transport for the next 5-10 years

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Post by stefcep » Sun 01 Oct, 2017 4:09 pm

aleks001 wrote:
Sun 01 Oct, 2017 10:42 am
stefcep wrote:
Sat 30 Sep, 2017 11:11 pm
aleks001 wrote:
Sat 30 Sep, 2017 10:12 pm


Every one of these ridiculous quotes I see pushes me closer to a Toyota Camry lol
The only reason i can think why you would say that is because you have never stepped inside a Lexus.
2 reasons. Lexus parts are not cheap either and thirdly im getting over spending any serious money on cars. It might be time a car becomes just transport for the next 5-10 years
apologies-misread what you wrote.

My dad said similar 6 years ago, Bought a Corolla (still made in Japan then) one of the upper spec sedan models for $30k. $130 servicing, 70,000 km's has not missed a beat, as tight as new.

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Post by aleks001 » Sun 01 Oct, 2017 6:02 pm

stefcep wrote:
Sun 01 Oct, 2017 4:09 pm
aleks001 wrote:
Sun 01 Oct, 2017 10:42 am
stefcep wrote:
Sat 30 Sep, 2017 11:11 pm


The only reason i can think why you would say that is because you have never stepped inside a Lexus.
2 reasons. Lexus parts are not cheap either and thirdly im getting over spending any serious money on cars. It might be time a car becomes just transport for the next 5-10 years
apologies-misread what you wrote.

My dad said similar 6 years ago, Bought a Corolla (still made in Japan then) one of the upper spec sedan models for $30k. $130 servicing, 70,000 km's has not missed a beat, as tight as new.
We've had a couple of toyotas in our family and no one has ever had any serious problems. Everytime i rent a jap car im like hey this aint so bad. I then get back in my car and am like wow this is better. Then it causes me a $1000 bill and i want the jap car lol its an exhausting rollercoaster :p. Im still working up the courage to switch but i think once i do ill never come
Back to german land. At the end of the day 99% of my driving is work and back. All i want in a car is quite and relliable.

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Re: Is MB trying to kill the used car market, check this ridiculous quote out!

Post by Ivanerrol » Sun 01 Oct, 2017 6:28 pm

Jap cars.
Sister in laws husband has had Honda’s for 25 years.
Recently bought a 2010 Honda Accord V6 - Top Model.
Cost him $16,000 - had 80,000km on the clock. He bought it from a Honda Stealership.
It required the 80,000 service when he bought it - salesman told him it wouldn’t be much.
Cost.......$3,500. :laughing5:
So his $16k car suddenly became a $19.5k car.
Then because he wanted a video reversing camera they charged him another $2,100 to install one
Then it needed a battery - changed at the stealership - another $600.00
Next. GPS needed updating. The costs finally got to him and be bought a Garmin. (I did point out that an iPhone with google maps was far superior).

Next. I do a lot of Melbourne - Queensland trips. My mother lived on the Gold Coast. Every now and then she would drive her 2004 toyboata Camry one way to Melbourne. I would need to drive the bloody thing back again. It was plain dangerous in wet weather at speed.
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Re: Is MB trying to kill the used car market, check this ridiculous quote out!

Post by aleks001 » Sun 01 Oct, 2017 9:31 pm

Ivanerrol wrote:
Sun 01 Oct, 2017 6:28 pm
Jap cars.
Sister in laws husband has had Honda’s for 25 years.
Recently bought a 2010 Honda Accord V6 - Top Model.
Cost him $16,000 - had 80,000km on the clock. He bought it from a Honda Stealership.
It required the 80,000 service when he bought it - salesman told him it wouldn’t be much.
Cost.......$3,500. :laughing5:
So his $16k car suddenly became a $19.5k car.
Then because he wanted a video reversing camera they charged him another $2,100 to install one
Then it needed a battery - changed at the stealership - another $600.00
Next. GPS needed updating. The costs finally got to him and be bought a Garmin. (I did point out that an iPhone with google maps was far superior).

Next. I do a lot of Melbourne - Queensland trips. My mother lived on the Gold Coast. Every now and then she would drive her 2004 toyboata Camry one way to Melbourne. I would need to drive the bloody thing back again. It was plain dangerous in wet weather at speed.
Yeah but that sounds more of an issue with the stealership and not the car itself. I assumed by now anyone with a car out of warranty would be wise enough not to take it to a stealership of any sorts.

I remember a friend at work once asked a honda stealership how much to replace front brake pads and it was in the $400-$500 range. She ended up taking it to some local guy who did it for $150.

I assume something was wrong with his camry ? I've been in a couple and never felt unsafe in them, although they were all pretty new.

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Re: Is MB trying to kill the used car market, check this ridiculous quote out!

Post by stefcep » Mon 02 Oct, 2017 12:08 pm

aleks001 wrote:
Sun 01 Oct, 2017 9:31 pm
Ivanerrol wrote:
Sun 01 Oct, 2017 6:28 pm
Jap cars.
Sister in laws husband has had Honda’s for 25 years.
Recently bought a 2010 Honda Accord V6 - Top Model.
Cost him $16,000 - had 80,000km on the clock. He bought it from a Honda Stealership.
It required the 80,000 service when he bought it - salesman told him it wouldn’t be much.
Cost.......$3,500. :laughing5:
So his $16k car suddenly became a $19.5k car.
Then because he wanted a video reversing camera they charged him another $2,100 to install one
Then it needed a battery - changed at the stealership - another $600.00
Next. GPS needed updating. The costs finally got to him and be bought a Garmin. (I did point out that an iPhone with google maps was far superior).

Next. I do a lot of Melbourne - Queensland trips. My mother lived on the Gold Coast. Every now and then she would drive her 2004 toyboata Camry one way to Melbourne. I would need to drive the bloody thing back again. It was plain dangerous in wet weather at speed.
Yeah but that sounds more of an issue with the stealership and not the car itself. I assumed by now anyone with a car out of warranty would be wise enough not to take it to a stealership of any sorts.

I remember a friend at work once asked a honda stealership how much to replace front brake pads and it was in the $400-$500 range. She ended up taking it to some local guy who did it for $150.

I assume something was wrong with his camry ? I've been in a couple and never felt unsafe in them, although they were all pretty new.

Yeah we rented a 2015 model driving all over Tassie, with 5 adults plus luggage and it drove well for a family car. Comfortable, quiet, big boot. The new camry looks interesting (never thought I'd say THAT) but boy how these "mid-sized"cars are growing-its just 1 cm shorter than an W211 E-class.

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