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Post by AMG » Wed 06 Sep, 2017 5:27 pm

Bloody hell it is hard work at the MB Dealers these days.

How in God's eternal wisdom can MB put so many ridiculous models and variants of that model on their forecourts has me bloody stumped.

So, the Renault is going. I'd prefer to keep it, but since SWMBO can no longer drive it (causes vertigo) because of the vehicles characteristic cup chassis stiffness, we've started looking for a New / demo current model MB.

And by crumbs it's an annihilating exercise. A250 sport, CLA 4 matic, C300's, E cabriolets, SLC... wait did I say SLC? yeah, it's really an slk with a 4cyl lump.... the 63 is not on the horizon for a grocery getter.

With so many demonstrator models out there, and too many 'lame spec' optioned ones to actually test drive and see whether or not certain options are nuisance or necessary, I've taken the liberty of stepping right back and actively seeking horror-stories from owners.

Which seems to be the best way to get honest feedback about the brand these days.

It also has me wondering..... Would I actually buy a NEW Mercedes-Benz, when I've seen so many "un-addressed" customer service complaints over vehicles - some with serious 'garage occupancy" where it's been in for service for longer than it has been on the road....

And it is this last point which is slowly coming home to bite.

I'm not the kind of guy who will put up with the bullshit excuses and lame half-arsed "fake" servicing that seems to prevail at MB dealers in australia. I'd like to believe that they are all honest blokes and do what they say, but even as recently as 2 days ago, I was told about a "B" service which was little more than an oil and filter change.... not even returned washed or clean....

It reminds me of the ink pen I used to use, to make sure that servicing was carried out properly when I owned a locally made vehicle years ago.
When you catch them out, they make all kinds of excuses.

So with all this behind-the-scenes cover-up / ignorance / customer service faux-pas going on, now becoming more like a reality TV show, I have to ask if anyone else out there is looking at a new Mercedes-Benz right now?

If so, which dealer?
Are you happy with their after-sales service?
Are you an existing "loyal" customer, or are you a believer that there is no such thing as loyalty customer service from a dealer these days?

I'm keen to hear as much about the good things as the bad. I know not every dealer can be a complete a-hole, but it would be nice to know if there are ones to avoid.

So far, I'm not getting any warm & fuzzy feelings from the few dealers I have visited. I'm yet to actually go to wollongong dealer yet, that was going to happen sometime this week.

Then I'll have a bigger issue to face.

Which bloody model will it end up being?

If it gets too hard, I think I might buy a BMW. :violent3:
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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by T-Modell » Thu 07 Sep, 2017 6:49 pm

AMG wrote:
Wed 06 Sep, 2017 5:27 pm
...If it gets too hard, I think I might buy a BMW. :violent3:
Yep, I'm pretty sure, that's much easier :laughing6: :laughing6: ... if it's for HER, why don't you ask HER, what she likes, when she strolls through the dealer-ship?

My wife was the same, for her a car was just something like "it has 4 wheels and it gets me from A to B". Then she had that SLK (now SLC) for two days ... you know what she said after those two days? "Oh Thomas, it's just such a cute little car".

Get her the automatic, airscarf, seat heating, navi, an MP3-player-interface AND - most important - the colour she likes ... and she's happy ...

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Post by AMG » Thu 07 Sep, 2017 10:01 pm

Thomas,

Have a laugh.

She wants a C class estate. :o

and the BMW 330i msport. :violent1: :tongue8:
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Post by markb » Thu 07 Sep, 2017 10:06 pm

Buy a Mazda instead..I read all the reviews and for under $50k, which I didn't pay, the Euro Audis etc. didn't compare to the bang for buck we got with a CX5... never owned a Mazda b4, but am impressed so far :dance:
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Post by Ivanerrol » Thu 07 Sep, 2017 10:12 pm

Is there a specific reason for buying a brand new car?
Tax reason? Novated lease? Salary sacrifice?

The depreciation is horrendous.

I bought brand new Benz's in the past. Mainly as a tax angle or work use (Chauffeur hire cars).
I could justify the depreciation - especially when hire cars do huge kilometers in just a few years.

If you have the cash money then bargains can be had finding very low K cars only a few years old.
Many of those coming off leases are finding the depreciation has caused a large deficit in their lease residual. The stealership is offering them a bare bones trade in figure for the new model and a seller is often looking at only a $1000 more than this trade in amount.
Finding a buyer with ready cash for cars over $25,000 is very difficult - hard to get finance for etc.
Novated leases often end on cars older than 8 years so there is a steep price drop at the 8 year cycle.

Benz dealers have entered the JAC trade now. - Just Another Car. There are a bunch of P.O.S. - Plain Old SalesStaff.
There are ethnic sales guys for certain demographic purposes.

I have been using the stealerships for over 30 years. So know quite a few of the current local staff. Some of the past sales staff have moved onto other stealerships and become dealer principles etc.

Mate had the distinction of being one of the main private buyers of MB cars - bought more new Benz's than nearly anybody else in Australia. MBA has given him a certificate. But...... He gets bugger all loyalty. Been ripped off a couple of times (Although I have to admit it's mainly his own fault.)

Back to the cars.

I just bought a 2009 (8 year old) very low K W204. I don't like it. Should have bought a W212 E350.

We had a Renault Kangoo. Had a Clio engine in it. Went like a rocket - in fact we called it the Frog Rocket.
Getting into a small engine Benz might be disappointing - performance wise compared to the Clio.
The twin turbo diesels get up and go - the twin turbo petrols relatively not so much.

I.M.H.O. take Thomas's advice :dance:
or Marks Mazda advice.
You can always look at John Cadogans anti MB videos. : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL_2Obwh-2A or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAgY6A3RPcU
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Post by T-Modell » Thu 07 Sep, 2017 11:43 pm

Ivanerrol wrote:
Thu 07 Sep, 2017 10:12 pm
Is there a specific reason for buying a brand new car?
...
Yes,
I wouldn't buy half-eaten sandwiches too :laughing6: ... and I can put on my sandwich what I want.
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Post by AMG » Fri 08 Sep, 2017 8:39 am

markb wrote:
Thu 07 Sep, 2017 10:06 pm
Buy a Mazda instead..I read all the reviews and for under $50k, which I didn't pay, the Euro Audis etc. didn't compare to the bang for buck we got with a CX5... never owned a Mazda b4, but am impressed so far :dance:
We looked at the 6 - briefly. also looked at another Renault - this time the GTline wagon. Subaru levorg (sister has one... ugly car!)

NOT EVEN ENTERTAINING A VAG BUILT CAR EVER.

Had to say that. No stinky VAG will ever grace this driveway in my lifetime. like the "cock in an M3" adage of 2 decades ago, Audi have claimed that title for themselves...
Not even an R8 - even if the v10 sounds good
Ivanerrol wrote:
Thu 07 Sep, 2017 10:12 pm
Is there a specific reason for buying a brand new car?
Tax reason? Novated lease? Salary sacrifice?

The depreciation is horrendous.

I bought brand new Benz's in the past. Mainly as a tax angle or work use (Chauffeur hire cars).
I could justify the depreciation - especially when hire cars do huge kilometers in just a few years.

If you have the cash money then bargains can be had finding very low K cars only a few years old.
Many of those coming off leases are finding the depreciation has caused a large deficit in their lease residual. The stealership is offering them a bare bones trade in figure for the new model and a seller is often looking at only a $1000 more than this trade in amount.
Finding a buyer with ready cash for cars over $25,000 is very difficult - hard to get finance for etc.
Novated leases often end on cars older than 8 years so there is a steep price drop at the 8 year cycle.

Benz dealers have entered the JAC trade now. - Just Another Car. There are a bunch of P.O.S. - Plain Old SalesStaff.
There are ethnic sales guys for certain demographic purposes.

I have been using the stealerships for over 30 years. So know quite a few of the current local staff. Some of the past sales staff have moved onto other stealerships and become dealer principles etc.

Mate had the distinction of being one of the main private buyers of MB cars - bought more new Benz's than nearly anybody else in Australia. MBA has given him a certificate. But...... He gets bugger all loyalty. Been ripped off a couple of times (Although I have to admit it's mainly his own fault.)

Back to the cars.

I just bought a 2009 (8 year old) very low K W204. I don't like it. Should have bought a W212 E350.

We had a Renault Kangoo. Had a Clio engine in it. Went like a rocket - in fact we called it the Frog Rocket.
Getting into a small engine Benz might be disappointing - performance wise compared to the Clio.
The twin turbo diesels get up and go - the twin turbo petrols relatively not so much.

I.M.H.O. take Thomas's advice :dance:
or Marks Mazda advice.
You can always look at John Cadogans anti MB videos. : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL_2Obwh-2A or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAgY6A3RPcU
the BMW we're looking at is a 330i M Sport sedan, but it has a plethora of options loaded in. Is a BMW Aust. demo, which the dealer has purchased to flog on. has 3K on it and is a very very nice spec car.
I haven't had a Roundel on my driveway for nearly 20 years. (e30) and I worry about longevity and resale on one - even a depreciated demo car... and the electrics... oh shall we go there? Just like Mercedes... not what you'd call 100% reliable.

W205 / 207 obviously makes sense.
Yes I would prefer a car that is a couple of years old and has no LCT, and low KM. the LCT is a ridiculous wank.
Cadogan review actually helped, as I was looking at the CLA for Nat, and she LOVES the look of the sedan.

2 issues though.
short wheelbase
sport suspension.

Given that the CLA nearly mimics the RS265 808 for wheelbase and stiffness, and the suspension is on the sporty side, it is not going to be the be-all and end-all car for her. Bear in mind, than 15 minutes is the absolute max that she can stand without getting terrbly ill, and stopping for HOURS to recover.
without going into details here, there is a significant enough issue to totally discount any A, CLA, GLA ,1,2series, or a maz3 / impreza sti, etc basically all the cars we actually like in those segments (except the GLA - I f-ing hate that god-awful thing - like the c coupe and e coupe styling. horrid.)

So last night, she makes her mind up.

C Estate it is.

We're test driving the 330i on Sat morning.

And I'm looking at CLS 250 estate demo cars...

No matter how I try to explain it, she seems to have a bee in her bonnet about buying a NEW car. which I think is f-ing stupidity in this country.
T-Modell wrote:
Thu 07 Sep, 2017 11:43 pm
Ivanerrol wrote:
Thu 07 Sep, 2017 10:12 pm
Is there a specific reason for buying a brand new car?
...
Yes,
I wouldn't buy half-eaten sandwiches too :laughing6: ... and I can put on my sandwich what I want.
Thomas
This is the ideal outcome for SWMBO. Wants another NEW car. yet it befuddles me how a demo BMW can fit that niche, while a Mercedes cannot.

I'm going to keep looking at other models - e's and cls etc and see what else I can grab for the same $, then just throw it out there and say don't be a fool and throw good money away, if there is something there that suits the purpose.


How we started with an A250 sport and somehow ended up at C Estate is just a great example of how the feminie mind works.... when you think there is logic - there simply isn't.
Yes, I realize I will pay for this statement, in more ways than one.

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1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
Previous:
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1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
1989 2.5-16 Blauschwarz 4sp. auto (parted) formerly owned by Derek/Hasan.

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Post by CraigB » Fri 08 Sep, 2017 8:47 am

In that market I would be tempted to look at the new rear wheel drive Alfa -(edit that, did a quick google and only the $150k top end QV is available so far in Australia) - on spec anyway, but picked up on a forum from the US that the early cars had less than perfect reliability. I'm sure a quick google would bring up more specifics. But you would think they would sort that sort of stuff quickly - its not like it is 'little old Alfa' of old - it is Fiat a volume producer that should be able to get it right. The story i saw was that the critics love it but too many of the new owners don't. No doubt i am blinded by the prospect of a proper rear wheel drive alfa after all these years!
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Post by AMG » Fri 08 Sep, 2017 9:00 am

Looked at the Guilia Veloce. (paramatattatattattataa - can you hear those tappets rattling?)

Can't afford the quadrifoglio.

Alfa reputation faeces-canned it after 5 minutes. not to mention Alfa brand here is Chrysler-jeep-dodge dealer netowrk, and I wouldn't touch them with a 30' bargepole.

yes, it's exterior is breathtaking in the flesh, particularly in Monza red.

The interior has nothing on the 205. It's a big big big factor in the purchase decision.

So far, only the BMW can 'match' on a level playing field. i.e. overall.

I would like a C63s

Can't afford that either. :dontknow:
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1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
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1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
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1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
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Post by CraigB » Fri 08 Sep, 2017 9:12 am

Just read a comparison review - what about the best (and last) Australian muscle car ever built! I know it is probably not the size etc you are looking for, but if you planned to take care of it and hold onto it you would think it is possibly one of the few cars that would retain their value in the future - might have to wait a bit though! Its a couple of years ago now when i was talking to a guy who had been a loyal BMW customer most of his life but had such a gutful of quality issues with his last M5 that he went out and bought a HSV Commodore and was raving about it. Most amazing though is his raving about the reliability compared to his last string of M5's!
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Post by Ivanerrol » Fri 08 Sep, 2017 11:47 am

AMG wrote:
Fri 08 Sep, 2017 8:39 am

So last night, she makes her mind up.

C Estate it is.
Probably your best bet.
Get a C250 diesel if you can find one.
Watch out for staggered wheels. The rear tyres go quite quickly and are 75% more expensive than the front tyres.
GLC250's are not that bad - relatively comfortable.
AMG wrote:
Fri 08 Sep, 2017 8:39 am
And I'm looking at CLS 250 estate demo cars...
Ivanerrol wrote:
Thu 07 Sep, 2017 10:12 pm
The depreciation is horrendous.
Ivanerrol wrote:
Thu 07 Sep, 2017 10:12 pm
Mate had the distinction of being one of the main private buyers of MB cars - bought more new Benz's than nearly anybody else in Australia. MBA has given him a certificate. But...... He gets bugger all loyalty. Been ripped off a couple of times (Although I have to admit it's mainly his own fault.)
This same mate bought a brand new CLS250 Shooting brake. It was over $130,000 new. He traded it in less than 18 months later for $50,000 with only 29,000 kilometers on the clock.

When he bought it the car was already near two years old - sitting on the sales room floor. March 2013 build date. He bought it in January 2015. (Ripped off - I keep telling him to check the build date before signing the contract on a new car)
CLS's do not sell. They are a discontinued model. If there is a Demo model on the floor then check it's build date. If you really want one then take tens of thousands off the purchase price.
Next. They are uncomfortable. Reason mate sold it - he has a bad back. I drove it a couple of times - it's just not that comfortable.
Next. Bad blind spots with external mirrors.
Next. Not that much room inside. C Class wagon better.
Next. New C Class has better tech. Much better GPS and phone compatibility.
I.M.H.O. if you really want a CLS, Don't pay more than $90,000 for it.

I just replaced the sway bushings and end links on my W210. The bushings were $17.00 each, the links $40.00 each
The sway bar bushings on the W204 and 205 are glued to the bar. New one costs $430.00 end links $80.00 each.
W210 items lasted well over 150,000k's. W204 items will not last 80,000km. Mine need replacing with 44,000Km's up.
W203,204,205 front control arms have a life of between 50 - 80,000kms. $200.00 each - there are four. I need drivers side control arms with 44,000kms up.
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Post by Mercmad » Fri 08 Sep, 2017 11:57 am

In the far distant past our family bought new mercedes all the time , back then they were a car to proud of and Service was great. When time to upgrade came,they would traded for more than they cost .This worked well into the 1980's. Then Chrysler got involved and the reputation and so on has gone out the door in the name of financial return. Audi has been mentioned. Australians dont know it yet but Audi is the volvo of the 21st Century. a crap car selling for big money to dick heads who can barely drive. https://youtu.be/mfFcTv0wIw4

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Post by AMG » Fri 08 Sep, 2017 12:16 pm

Ivanerrol wrote:
This same mate bought a brand new CLS250 Shooting brake. It was over $130,000 new. He traded it in less than 18 months later for $50,000 with only 29,000 kilometers on the clock.
Good to know.
Ivanerrol wrote:
When he bought it the car was already near two years old - sitting on the sales room floor. March 2013 build date. He bought it in January 2015. (Ripped off - I keep telling him to check the build date before signing the contract on a new car)
CLS's do not sell. They are a discontinued model. If there is a Demo model on the floor then check it's build date. If you really want one then take tens of thousands off the purchase price.
Next. They are uncomfortable. Reason mate sold it - he has a bad back. I drove it a couple of times - it's just not that comfortable.
Next. Bad blind spots with external mirrors.
Next. Not that much room inside. C Class wagon better.
Next. New C Class has better tech. Much better GPS and phone compatibility.
I.M.H.O. if you really want a CLS, Don't pay more than $90,000 for it.
Thanks. saves me a test drive. My body is broken enough to not need any extended torture via test driving uncomfortable cars.
Ivanerrol wrote:
I just replaced the sway bushings and end links on my W210. The bushings were $17.00 each, the links $40.00 each
The sway bar bushings on the W204 and 205 are glued to the bar. New one costs $430.00 end links $80.00 each.
W210 items lasted well over 150,000k's. W204 items will not last 80,000km. Mine need replacing with 44,000Km's up.
W203,204,205 front control arms have a life of between 50 - 80,000kms. $200.00 each - there are four. I need drivers side control arms with 44,000kms up.
If they go during warranty, i'll be sure to make a direct comparison to the 42 year old bushes in Lurch that were still serviceable. ;)

And I'll probably superpro them if they need doing outside of warranty, unless OE prices drop. I know people bag urethane for being hard, but that was 20 years ago. they have far better wear and compliance than most rubber compounds now.

the C estate might be the MB to compare, but I'm not going to discount other cars, until the process is exhausted. However, CLS is definitely off, now that you have highlighted comfort issues, blind spots etc.

soldier on! :laughing6:
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2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
Previous:
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1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by AMG » Fri 08 Sep, 2017 12:20 pm

Mercmad wrote:
Fri 08 Sep, 2017 11:57 am
In the far distant past our family bought new mercedes all the time , back then they were a car to proud of and Service was great. When time to upgrade came,they would traded for more than they cost .This worked well into the 1980's. Then Chrysler got involved and the reputation and so on has gone out the door in the name of financial return. Audi has been mentioned. Australians dont know it yet but Audi is the volvo of the 21st Century. a crap car selling for big money to dick heads who can barely drive. https://youtu.be/mfFcTv0wIw4
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There will be no VAG on my driveway ever.
no Cock in an Audi. or the other c word. :laughing6: :whistle: :occasion5:

It's hard enough admitting that a BMW might encroach the general surroundings.... If that happens, It'll be parked across the road, away from the Mercedes.

I'll even park the range rover in the driveway, just to prevent it from occurring. :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5:
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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by Mercmad » Fri 08 Sep, 2017 1:33 pm

A customer here has a W114 which is his daily and he has a late 5 series BMW but the car he loves the most is his Kia SUV. I have no idea of what model it is, but it is put together really nicely . A huge surprise to me as i remember when Kias and Asias were introduced in brisbane nearly 30 years ago and the build quality was woeful .The world wide sales of kias reflect this too I think.

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Post by AMG » Fri 08 Sep, 2017 2:54 pm

Yep, the Kia Sorrento and the Hyundai Tuscon were also suggested by me, but she doesn't want an SUV thingy.....

YET...

All this shebangabang started when the Land Rover Discovery Sport was advertised and she saw one on the road...... :Doh:

The SUV that somehow isn't???? As much as I understand logic, I do not understand feminine logic.

How an Land Rover is not an SUV, but a Kia, Hyundai, X-series, GLC/E, Cayenne (yes been there too), Craptiva (and cousins) and a fraud terrorStory somehow are???....

I even went " what about a Defender?" :laughing6: :laughing6: :laughing6: thinking the power of subliminal messaging might just get me another OM606 donor shell..... but no - because it's a 4x4.

just like the Kia, the hyundai, the X-series, the ML, GL, etc etc
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1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
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1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
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Post by T-Modell » Fri 08 Sep, 2017 5:27 pm

Shouldn't we all be thankful, when we have THOSE problems? :laughing6:
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Post by 420 SE » Fri 08 Sep, 2017 10:05 pm

Too far away to add anything more meaningful that get a demonstrator that has had the kinks ironed out.

My ML was a 5000km dealer demo and has been a breeze, with at least 20% off the new car price.
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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by Ivanerrol » Fri 08 Sep, 2017 11:32 pm

AMG wrote:
Fri 08 Sep, 2017 8:39 am
the BMW we're looking at is a 330i M Sport sedan, but it has a plethora of options loaded in. Is a BMW Aust. demo, which the dealer has purchased to flog on. has 3K on it and is a very very nice spec car.
I haven't had a Roundel on my driveway for nearly 20 years. (e30) and I worry about longevity and resale on one - even a depreciated demo car... and the electrics... oh shall we go there? Just like Mercedes... not what you'd call 100% reliable.

Cadogan's take on Demo's

probably some truth in this especially considering a Demo M series.

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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by Ivanerrol » Fri 08 Sep, 2017 11:44 pm

One more thing.
I never paid anywhere near RRP on any of my new Benz's. There's a lot of wiggle room.
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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by AMG » Sat 09 Sep, 2017 8:38 pm

Ivanerrol wrote:
Fri 08 Sep, 2017 11:44 pm
One more thing.
I never paid anywhere near RRP on any of my new Benz's. There's a lot of wiggle room.
Might get you along for the haggle then hahahaaaaaa...

We test drove the 330i m sport. And a c250 with the amgline pack and options that were close to 'spec' that we're looking at.

The bitter truth is the BMW is 10x the refinement of the c250 amg line.

Better engine (understood, but obvious difference) chassis dynamics in the m sport are absolutely bang-on. Compliant, even in sport plus, excellent steering, neutral handling, and a nice sound too (if that means anything to anyone, but I like engine sounds)

By comparison, the amg line seats were f-ing horrid. 10 minutes into the same drive back to back over the exact same roads and I was in pain, my sciatic nerve gave up on me and i had to call it a day.

I tried to mask it, but Natalie could see....
wind noise is an issue in the C class. Not in the bmw.
Body roll is excessive in sport sport+ comfort and eco. In the bmw, it is more compliant better dampened and far less body roll. The seats are easily 10x more comfortable and while the forward thigh support in the bmw is manually adjusted vs electric in the MB, and the MB control in the door is more logical, it doesnt make up for the fact they are far too firm, unsupportive, especially in lumbar, despite my stuffing about for the entire journey trying to get comfortable. It was not pretty.

Well, I have to say that Wollongong dealer is very pleasant and easy to deal with and the salesman is extremely well mannered. That's a plus.

After stating the issues clearly that I had, they agreed it was the wrong car to test drive and are looking for one that is closer to the spec we provided.

I'll give them time and see if there is any improvement - but that BMW is looking right now - as a far far better vehicle, which for a mercedes guy is a very bitter pill to swallow.

If the buy decision was placed under pressure, then the BMW would find it's way easily into the driveway.

If you are a Mercedes guy, then maybe let the one-eyed faith inside you relax for a day or so and go drive the competition. It's quite astounding just how poor the amg line package performs in the C class. I would never recommend it to anyone unless they wore mouthgards while driving and had 100% hospital cover including weekly physio and osteopathic sessions.

Even then, I'm not sure it'd help.

Massively disappointed.

Hoping that the next test drive will be redemption for Mercedes. Or perhaps "saving Face".
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1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
Previous:
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1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
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Post by T-Modell » Sat 09 Sep, 2017 8:50 pm

It's pretty easy; get away from all these "sporty" cars, it's just BS for normal driving. I drive my AMG always in comfort mode and that's fine. I want the max comfort in a daily car. Period.

Maybe give us a note, when you switch to the OZBeamer-Forum :laughing6:
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Post by AMG » Sat 09 Sep, 2017 9:52 pm

Thomas,

We've been chasing an 'exclusive line' spec'd package and airmatic.
Noone has one available here, at least not in the 4 dealers and their network we have already visited.

The guys at Wollongong are actually putting in a decent effort, so I'm happy to support that effort and give them time to make good on trying to find a demo car to test.

If those efforts are in vain, then yep, I'll have a beyerische M wagen :laughing6: :laughing6:

I'm half tempted to take the 124 coupe down and show the sales guy what the word comfort means. :occasion5:
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1987 560SL 4sp. auto Signalrot "Stella"
1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
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Post by T-Modell » Sat 09 Sep, 2017 10:02 pm

That's a general problem, maybe even harder in Australia due to the smaller market: just too many models, so it's impossible to have all of them. Small dealers die and bigger dealers get more and more shops.

I'd go twofold: Get one car with the motor you're interested and another one with the suspension you want; That's what I did in 2007 when I nearly bought a 3-series cabriolet: Drove the 330i-limousine for a test (that was the motor I was interested then). my wife said, yes great car ... no it's fine ... etc etc etc ... after I insisted for about half an hour, her answer was (about the SLK): Oh Thomas, it's just a cute little car ... as I mentioned earlier.

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Post by AMG » Sat 09 Sep, 2017 10:59 pm

T-Modell wrote:
Sat 09 Sep, 2017 10:02 pm

P. S. It's "Bayern" und "Bayrische (or Bayerische) Motorenwerke" ... smart-ass-mode off again :notworthy:
I was deliberately abbreviating the M.... "Mist". :laughing6:

You know I cant call it a bavarian faeces cart if there's a possibility it may end up in the driveway :king:
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1987 560SL 4sp. auto Signalrot "Stella"
1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
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Post by Starman » Sun 10 Sep, 2017 4:26 pm

I buy things in two stages. Stage 1 - figure out what you want. Stage 2 - figure out the best way to buy it.
FFS just buy what you want...!!! YOLO
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Post by T-Modell » Sun 10 Sep, 2017 6:19 pm

AMG wrote:
Sat 09 Sep, 2017 10:59 pm
T-Modell wrote:
Sat 09 Sep, 2017 10:02 pm

P. S. It's "Bayern" und "Bayrische (or Bayerische) Motorenwerke" ... smart-ass-mode off again :notworthy:
I was deliberately abbreviating the M.... "Mist". :laughing6:

You know I cant call it a bavarian faeces cart if there's a possibility it may end up in the driveway :king:
Joe,
here in German the MB drivers call it "Bei Mercedes Weggeschmissen" (thrown away at Mercedes) :laughing6:

On the other hand, in the 90s, I heard a fantastic statement from a BMW-fan and -driver:
If you can afford it you drive a Mercedes. If you can drive you afford a BMW ... :notworthy: (not 100% correct English, sorry)

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Post by AMG » Fri 15 Sep, 2017 1:41 pm

Well,

As events would unfold - the BMW dealer sales rep is too slow to get back to me with a figure - I was absolutely clear this is what he had to do to get my business.

I've given him 5 days to make up his mind and get his sums in order.

There was a follow-up call on monday where I was even clearer.

No response.

On the other hand, Lauchlan, the sales rep at MB Wollongong has been easy to deal with and even though he's new to MB (having come from Toy bota) he is obviously a polished salesman. Nonetheless, today, we go for test drive #2 where it is hoped the vehicle specification (seats / suspension) is at least a match to the specification we delivered.

If not, we'll have to go to another dealer and find an appropriately spec'd vehicle to test drive, before any decision is made on whether we are actually wasting our time with Mercedes-Benz as there are already a number of issues I have with their product placement / option list / marketing bullshit.

MB Aust have lost the plot. I'd be happier in a W461 G300 than in a c-class with amg-line suspension and interior black vomit spec. :puke:

watch this space. <again> for more 'runaround time wasting looking for the right car'

I'm going to start leaving corolla brochures and kia / hyundai literature around if someone doesn't start making her mind up.... :clock:
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1987 560SL 4sp. auto Signalrot "Stella"
1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
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Post by Ivanerrol » Fri 15 Sep, 2017 7:38 pm

Gasp :dontknow:
Horror :whistle:

Have you been down to the LexArse stealer yet?

If you do make sure the car that they want to sell you was made in this century :drunken:
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W111 220s (Indonesia) 4 speed manual column shift
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Post by AMG » Fri 15 Sep, 2017 8:46 pm

Have given the lexarse consideration, but SWMBO has an extreme dislike for the interior styling - so it's off the cards.
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1987 560SL 4sp. auto Signalrot "Stella"
1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
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Post by Ivanerrol » Fri 15 Sep, 2017 11:05 pm

How about a low K 2009 C280?
I know where one will be going relatively cheaply - after the owner has finished sorting out the strange noises from the front suspension. :drunken:

If the C280 gets sold then the owner can go out and look for a real Mercedes - not just a car with a Mercedes Badge on it. :boohoo:
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W204 - C280
W210 - E240
Departed
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Post by T-Modell » Fri 15 Sep, 2017 11:07 pm

Joe, go for a Smart. Period.
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Post by AMG » Sat 16 Sep, 2017 10:28 am

BMW guy just rang.
Told him to call me back with the figure

We'll see if we get there.
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1987 560SL 4sp. auto Signalrot "Stella"
1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
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Post by AMG » Sat 16 Sep, 2017 11:13 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAgY6A3RPcU

was having a good laugh at this - mostly truth - even if it comes with brutal satire
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1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
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Post by TheMadRacoon » Sat 16 Sep, 2017 3:19 pm

Jeepers, is MB now where Cadillac was in... 1982?

Better not go off-topic!
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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by AMG » Sun 17 Sep, 2017 6:54 pm

Went to a couple other dealers today, just looking around - not engaging with sales etc.

Increasingly of the opinion that next car will not be a Merc.

Don't mind the E cabriolet, don't mind the SLC in blue.

most everything else is totally bland and devoid of any character. Looks like MB is heading for 1982.....

SLC300 aka old slk is completely impractical. We like it, but it's got no rear seats.

E cabriolet looks nice. but fabric roof and the salt air here will kill it in no time flat.

Next on the list is Porsche. Don't mind the Macan or the Cayenne. But it's hard to coalesce with a VAG car.

have tried the gayman gts and the cockster last time we were on the purchase horizon (before the renault) so can't go there again.

Gayman doesn't have enough shopping trolley space either. we know this from previous driving experiences and my airport commute vs luggage.
Current:
1987 560SL 4sp. auto Signalrot "Stella"
1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
1989 2.5-16 Blauschwarz 4sp. auto (parted) formerly owned by Derek/Hasan.

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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by ngruzevs » Sun 17 Sep, 2017 8:56 pm

Interesting thread, as I'm some 12 months off finishing my lease in my MK7 Golf GTI. I will be candid, I've had more issues with the Golf than my last four Japanese cars combined. It's been a love/hate relationship, but luckily all handled within warranty and now that I'm out of warranty, touch wood, nothing has gone wrong. Given this experience, I'm gun shy about buying a European marque, without warranty that covers term of lease (or close to).

As attention is turning to the next vehicle, I've been lucky enough to loan a W205 C200 from MB Asia Pacific for the weekend, I've also recently hired a C250 in Cairns for 10 days. To be honest I wasn't bowled over by either, I considered neither of them that special that I would lock myself in for another 5 year lease with either model. The rental C250 was ok, it was a good size for our family of 4 and also accepted all our luggage (~480 litres). The interior black piano plastic was quite scratched (near the mouse), not sure how easy this is to scratch, but obviously rental cars get treated quite badly. To be honest my main issue was ride confront (even in comfort mode) and just couldn't get comfortable in front seats. Maybe I'm just used to my lounge room seating in my 420SE, still seams to be more comfortable than W205.

Comparing C200 vs. C250, I didn't really notice the additional 20KW in C250. I haven't driven a W205 with Airmatic suspension, but would likely option a C200 with adaptive suspension, if I was going to buy a W205.

Sadly, both me and my wife have discounted buying a brand new W205. Would be keen to hear other suggestions. At the moment I'm keen to test a Kia Stinger V6 (when released), I'm sorry if this is sacrilege (writing this on this forum). Other options include Hyundai N30 when released next year.
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1987 W126 300SE (SA Delivered) Pearl Grey Matt Oscar
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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by Ivanerrol » Sun 17 Sep, 2017 10:43 pm

Joe,
If you are after a Macan.
Mate has one he bought last December.
For political reasons he doesn't drive it. Has a handful of K,s on it.
He drags it out of the garage every month to keep it going and wash it.
It's a Dacca Dacca.

But then again Porsche = VAG

He is looking to offload it.
W211 - E240
W204 - C280
W210 - E240
Departed
W202 - C200, C180, C180
W126 - 380SE , 380SE (Ex SA Import), 560SEL
W124 - 300e, 260e (ex Japan)
W111 220s (Indonesia) 4 speed manual column shift
W123 230
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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by AMG » Tue 19 Sep, 2017 3:52 pm

General apathy is overtaking.

It's hard to understand why dealers insist on being so full of bullshit in a vain attempt to glean your business an insert their well-lubricated fingers into your wallet.

I'm making plans later this week to speak with JLA over the new Velar. :think: can you forsee the warranty paperwork on that one??? :dontknow:

I think missus needs to be more flexible in her options. I'd prefer to see something like a w211 e63 in the driveway than a new c250 without nice options.
Current:
1987 560SL 4sp. auto Signalrot "Stella"
1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
1989 2.5-16 Blauschwarz 4sp. auto (parted) formerly owned by Derek/Hasan.

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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by ngruzevs » Tue 19 Sep, 2017 6:49 pm

Velar launch occurred last night (for those on FB)

https://www.facebook.com/CarAdvice/vide ... 259476505/
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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by Ivanerrol » Tue 19 Sep, 2017 6:58 pm

Have you driven a GLC Coupe?
Doesn't feel like a "SUV" when you drive it.

Latest model has head up display on the windscreen. You need it. The car is almost impossible to drive at 40Kph - even 60Kph.
W211 - E240
W204 - C280
W210 - E240
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W126 - 380SE , 380SE (Ex SA Import), 560SEL
W124 - 300e, 260e (ex Japan)
W111 220s (Indonesia) 4 speed manual column shift
W123 230
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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by ngruzevs » Tue 19 Sep, 2017 8:34 pm

Just be aware some owners have reported a problem where front rubber shudders across the road when or near or at full lock, juddering the steering wheel. Issue has only been reported on RHD 4Matic models. I've heard MB dealers now ask customers to sign a waiver, acknowledging this when purchasing, even though MB don't consider it an issue. Recently an owner of a GLC43 wrote a letter in Herald Sun Cars Guide describing the issue.

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/misce ... g-problem/
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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by Christo C » Tue 19 Sep, 2017 8:41 pm

ngruzevs wrote:
Tue 19 Sep, 2017 8:34 pm
Just be aware some owners have reported a problem where front rubber shudders across the road when or near or at full lock, juddering the steering wheel. Issue has only been reported on RHD 4Matic models. I've heard MB dealers now ask customers to sign a waiver, acknowledging this when purchasing, even though MB don't consider it an issue. Recently an owner of a GLC43 wrote a letter in Herald Sun Cars Guide describing the issue.

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/misce ... g-problem/
Sign a "lemon" waiver??? Huh? Where's Ralph Nader? We need him!
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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by Ivanerrol » Tue 19 Sep, 2017 11:45 pm

ngruzevs wrote:
Tue 19 Sep, 2017 8:34 pm
Just be aware some owners have reported a problem where front rubber shudders across the road when or near or at full lock, juddering the steering wheel. Issue has only been reported on RHD 4Matic models. I've heard MB dealers now ask customers to sign a waiver, acknowledging this when purchasing, even though MB don't consider it an issue. Recently an owner of a GLC43 wrote a letter in Herald Sun Cars Guide describing the issue.

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/misce ... g-problem/
This issue is well known overseas - including LHD
It's caused by too large wheel and tyre combination for the wheel base.
Should have 18 inch wheels instead of 20's
W211 - E240
W204 - C280
W210 - E240
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W126 - 380SE , 380SE (Ex SA Import), 560SEL
W124 - 300e, 260e (ex Japan)
W111 220s (Indonesia) 4 speed manual column shift
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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by AMG » Wed 20 Sep, 2017 2:02 am

GLC = resounding NO from swmbo.

apart from the U missing from the front of the GLE badge, it's not comfortable for me either.

since swmbo has now acquired influenza-like symptoms, I'm hoping to get a reprieve from further searching over the next week or so.

randomly also, there was an extremely brief discussion about the new megane RS, which launched in Frankfurt a few days ago.

The discussion went like this:

me:
"New megane is out, have you thought about that? It's got a longer wheelbase, 4 doors, and adjustable damping - so it might be an alternative"
:computer:
response:
"No."
:angryfire:
followed by the look which all men understand to mean "say another word and you'll die in your sleep"

:pale:

must be the flu medication.
Current:
1987 560SL 4sp. auto Signalrot "Stella"
1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
1989 2.5-16 Blauschwarz 4sp. auto (parted) formerly owned by Derek/Hasan.

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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by 420 SE » Wed 20 Sep, 2017 3:09 am

Shame about the GLE.

I'm really happy with my ML/GLE and Liz want's to take it from me! She wanted the Cayenne but now she wants my car. The Cayenne is nice, but a very different animal.

The ML/GLE is a really nice package when optioned up, there are very few options missing in the Middle East as standard.
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Post by AMG » Wed 20 Sep, 2017 9:35 am

I agree that the car is well appointed (when optioned up here)
but the seats thigh bolsters did the same thing to me as they did in the c class we testdrove - and theyre too firm
it's something to do with this "amg-line" specification of trim that ruins the car.

SWMBO claims it is too big also. I think that women seem to perceive /derive that a car is big bulky and awkward, just from looking at it.
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1987 560SL 4sp. auto Signalrot "Stella"
1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
1989 2.5-16 Blauschwarz 4sp. auto (parted) formerly owned by Derek/Hasan.

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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by AMG » Sun 24 Sep, 2017 11:58 pm

2017 E class is now the proverbial thorn in one's side. :wall:

1st world problems.....
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Current:
1987 560SL 4sp. auto Signalrot "Stella"
1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
1989 2.5-16 Blauschwarz 4sp. auto (parted) formerly owned by Derek/Hasan.

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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by AMG » Sat 21 Oct, 2017 10:43 pm

2 steps forward, 3 steps back.
Looking at ML's, 220/221 S class (interesting)

Suddenly the 'small' car requirement is transforming into Optimus Prime (mover).

I did suggest a W463....
response was warmer than previous - that is to say somewhere between tepid and lukewarm.

So that is probably another " :computer: says no..... :puke: "

I'm now looking at the Marauders map and watching a pair of feet pacing up and down the hallway downstairs....

Someone said to me years ago - I'm not sure if it was Brian or Geoff Eldridge - but the discussion went something like this:

"You'll start somewhere and it wont be satisfactory, then you'll spend the next 3 months running around looking at every conceivable unpalettable alternative until you arrive full-circle, right back at the same place you started looking"

Watch this space :laughing6: :laughing6: :occasion5: I'm laughing (the best way to deal with frustration) on the inside.....
Current:
1987 560SL 4sp. auto Signalrot "Stella"
1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
1989 2.5-16 Blauschwarz 4sp. auto (parted) formerly owned by Derek/Hasan.

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Re: Oh Lord, Won't you find me the RIGHT new Mercedes-Benz...

Post by AMG » Thu 26 Oct, 2017 10:42 am

Never ceases to amazeballs me how FULL OF faeces Mercedes-Benz sales staff are.

I won't disclose the dealer, because they are a well-known Capital City stealership and have a bit of a chequered history, but suffice to say, I spoke to the sales guy last week about a vehicle, he was OK to deal with, and after discusing the vehicle I had in mind, I had a few days to myself to mull over it, and to look at some other things.

Yesterday I call back - he's away (should have let it go there) and the receptionist patched me through to his boss (sales manager)-
Upon which I received the full-on barrage of sales bullshit, right out of the textbook. :naughty: :hand: :liar: :bs: BEFORE I could actually ask where the sales guy I was dealing with was.

Now that I know this guy is talking faeces, because I've already had a PPI done on the car - and yet still I get the full lather of BS treatment.
Needless to say, the guy I was previously dealing with to this point obviously has to live with this dipwad as his boss, and I've got a lot of empathy for someone in that position. It's a pity, I think he was actually not too bad - and at least made the effort to try and get the sale.

I hope he moves on to the Porsche dealer, because he's got the right attitude to sell cars - but his boss is a complete F.W.

And if you happen to be a member on here Mr 'Sales manager", take it as gospel, you're a full of bullshit know-nothing when it comes to dealing with potential customers and your techique / tactics / attitude have only served to terminate any potential dealing with your dealer franchise, for the entire future... and I get to meet your bosses boss in the next couple of weeks :thefinger: , I'll be sure to tell him what a doozey you are.

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Current:
1987 560SL 4sp. auto Signalrot "Stella"
1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
1989 2.5-16 Blauschwarz 4sp. auto (parted) formerly owned by Derek/Hasan.

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