bit of a topic resurrection:
Mercmad wrote: ↑
Mon 22 May, 2017 8:48 am
Avoid anything that you can't get a recent scan readout on.
I'd second this with an additional slightly different adaptation...
If whoever reads my below philosphical rant and still wants to buy a modern MB with all the mod-con-fruitiness, then pre-owned.mercedes-benz.com.au
is where I would start looking.
1. certified used vehicles with a full 2 year factory backed warranty.
2. all the depreciation is copped by the previous owner... unless you want a demo, in which case you can save a reasonably decent sum on something that's got minimal km and has a full 4 year warranty (new car warranty).
So the best bit about all of this is that only the cleanest examples of used cars with full dealer service history (they're usually traded at the same dealer the car was purchased at, or mostly serviced at) get the certified warranty.
In this day and age when an electrical problem could spell a $5K bill, then warranty surely is peace of mind. One has to be mindful of the statutory rights of the consumer when the term 'warranty' is applied and also 'fit for purpose'. A lot of car dealers have a reputation for avoiding warranty work. I'm not specifically mentioning MB here.... but all you have to do is a little googling and see issues with ford focus, GMH colorado, and just about every manufacturer under the sun and airbag recalls... not to dispel any loathing I personally have for JLA and their treatment of landrover owners when it comes to honouring genuine warranty issues on brand new vehicles (i.e. not 'abuse')...
So you still have to use your brain when purchasing, but the modern cars, outside of a warranty present a potential economic risk that is not worth the 'asking price'. This is why I generally say if you are an 'enthusiast' and like to do your own servicing, STOP NOW.
Unless you have access to a great independent specialist with detailed knowledge of these later models, then you are at the mercy of whoever you take the vehicle to. For a Mercedes-Benz owner, Investing in a star diagnostic computer is often not economical, unless you have multiple modern vehicles, and further to that, the outlay on one is huge anyway - so you'd want to be keeping the car for it's entire useable life to justify the associated costs.
Generic scanners do often not correctly read many of the additional codes punched out by the MB ECU, and it's worth noting that some models require the Star computer to be connected to the vehicle during servicing, to complete certain functions, like bleeding the brakes (SBC for example) and for 722.9 transmission fluid servicing etc.
A lot of unwanted complexity is placed into the vehicle electrics these days, not only to make them 'robust' (i.e. fault-tolerant) but to at least allow you to limp-home when even the most major issues would see you otherwise stranded. They also prevent those with no regard for mechanical sympathy (idiots) from destroying the drivetrain through repetitive abuse. Oh and they log it, so that when it finally does go for servicing to fix whatever it was thats damaged beyond repair, the ecu brain tells the service agent when it occurred and that is a clear way for a 'false' warranty claim to be avoided by a dealer. Intelligent, right? You bet.
it's a win-lose situation. you win if you can afford to have the vehicle properly serviced. You lose out on the costs for servicing and the time taken, the inconvenience, and the need to rely on someone else to perform the work.
So those cars aren't for people who want to DIY, unless they can afford a really good scanner tool, have the correct tools to do the work, have the hoist, and the time and space. It's one of the reasons the MB star tool is the only worthwhile tool to have if your cars are MB only.
If you have many different brand modern tools there are a couple of upmarket professional diagnostics tools available but they are right up there in price. The real question is one of cost.
Sometimes I think money would be better spent on an older pre chrysler car. The 201, 124, 129, 126 and even the early 140's are still worthwhile cars to own, have an excellent chassis dynamic and very comfortable ride.... and some models are now increasing in value from their bottom-out. So that can only be a positive for owners of older Mercedes-Benz.
I like the moden R171's and 211's personally, but in terms of electronics, I'd still find that I'd have to rely on a diagnostics computer, then the issue of procuring certain 'green-key' components (requires MB Germany star-online) to remedy certain 'bigger' issues - like stolen/missing keys, ecu's, TCU's and other vin-coded stuff. You know, the things that stop you dead in your tracks, else you be on the road within 10 minutes of finding a Mr Minit key service in the shopping centre, or RACQ/RACV/NRMA etc etc to get you mobile again.
There are a lot of reasons for going to a contemporary Mercedes-Benz, but I also feel there are just as many reasons to not. I have a foot either side of the barbed wire fence and it won't take much in terms of problems when the 212 is out of warranty before the barbed-wire can do some damage... if you know what I mean.
Having said that, the difference in 'gizmos' between the 124 and the 212 is basically down to the electronification of the HVAC, the Dash readout, the screen that serves as a slave to the COMAND and Radio and telephony functions.... All of which were previously catered for in the 124 by 3 dials for the HVAC, a radio which didn't rely on you needing to navigate 50-billion menus to change a station or to swap between the radio and CD or ipod, and a phone with hands-free - which can also work with a modern single-din radio - all in all, nearly 100% coverage of moden gadgets in the older car, and if you need to be 'that person' who is gadget oriented, then you may see the modern car as superior, because it's all on an LCD.
but what happens when that LCD headunit has a fault, and you can't use your radio, or the HVAC, or the navigation or the hands-free phone?
COnversely, if you're the kind of person who prefers to drive with the radio off, or sometimes the windows down (blasphemy!
) or heaven-forbid, with the AC off..... then the moden car instantly loses any appeal, other than perhaps a slight NVH improvement, maybe a smoother gearbox and a slightly more powerful engine.
No. it won't change much. even if your new car has 420kW at the wheels.
If you want to dawdle along, then the old car will get almost as good on the fuel as the newer one.
great example of this is current avg fuel consumption per fill in the 212 is between 13.2L/100 and 20L/100 - so it's worse than my R107 on a hard driving day and marginally better than the 124 on a 'leisurely drive'.
There are just as many reasons to prefer a moden one as there are to be happy with owning the older cars.
Gone are the days when you had to stop in a town and use a public phone box to make a telephone call.
Gone are the days where you had petrol stations with full driveway service, to check your fluids while you got petrol.
Gone are the days when you could fix your car with half a dozen spanners, a screwdriver and a hammer and next to no mechanical knowledge whatsoever.
Gone are the days when the word 'inconvenience' meant having to stop overnight in a town somewhere you weren't comfortable with.
Gone are the days when you didn't have to worry about getting a speed camera ticket for overtaking the dickhead doing 30km/h below the posted signage holding up a line of traffic as long as the westgate bridge.
Simple is not a word that is allowed in modern vocabulary. It implies that it is inferior to modern automated complexity. Simple is old.
which ironically, is simply untrue.