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W204

Post by Ivanerrol » Sun 13 Aug, 2017 11:09 pm

Here's my W204.
W210 wheels.jpg
Here's my W210
W204 wsheels.jpg
You may notice I've swapped the wheels around.
The W204 came with staggered 17 inch sports wheels. 225/45 tyres front 235/40 tyres rear.
The ride seemed a little rough and a clunking sound coming from the front end. I suspected the tyres so swapped the wheels from the W210 to the W204. The tyres from the W210 are 225/55's and are very quiet.

On the W204, tyre noise and rough ride were much reduced however there is still a little continuous clunking noise that shouldn't be there. My car has just 40,000K's on it - just run in.
On checking the O/S forums it seems that there are known issues with the W203 and W204 front suspension. Sway bar links and bushings as well as strut supports can fail in as little as 30,000K's :wall: :wall:
There is also a known failure in a short production run of camber link bushings. My car build date happens to be in the midst of that short run :whistle:

On the plus side. The sports wheels are shod with brand new Continental Contact sport 5 tyres (non run flat). They run very well on the W210. Pity the offset is 20mm out both ends.

Another issue a found regarding the W204. Poor sound insulation through the boot. Many overseas owners coat there boots and spare wheel wells with sound dampener materials.
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Re: W204

Post by AMG » Mon 14 Aug, 2017 12:56 am

Replace the dodgy front bushes with the superpro urethane ones. Makes a HUGE difference and you actually get some steering feel.
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Re: W204

Post by Ivanerrol » Mon 14 Aug, 2017 5:49 pm

Would they be the LCA bushings?

The camber arm bushings are Hydraulic.

LCA,s don't seem to be the issue. It's a continuous drumming clunking sound. I'm dreading it's the strut mounts. They have bearings in them. Big job to change them. Macpherson strut must be removed and taken to a shop to have the coil spring removed and replaced.

On the plus side. I'm really impressed with the Continental Contactsport 5's. The W210 glides Silently limo like along the road with them. I might need to get a set of 17" w210 wheels and put those on.

IMHO the shorter wheelbase of the W204 seems to be suited to 16" with 205/55's rather than the bigger staggered wheel and tyre combination. It's probably OK for those who want a sportier harsher ride but for us Old fogeys who prefer the traditional Mercedes comfort ride :drunken:
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Re: W204

Post by T-Modell » Mon 14 Aug, 2017 6:12 pm

Hi,
I don't understand. You seem to be a fan of the more older models, now you buy a W204 and basically tell us that it's rubbish after around 40,000kms. Why did you buy it?

In the workshop where I do the V8-ute work, there is (third time) a brand new W205, completely dismantled (seats, dashboard, consoles, carpet, etc etc) ... why? The NOx sensor had an error message. Now, at the third try, they found out, that a leaking hose of the air condition affected it ...

Best regards and good luck
Thomas
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Re: W204

Post by Ivanerrol » Mon 14 Aug, 2017 7:53 pm

I have three older Benz's - two W202's and a W210.
My main DD has been one of the W202's - it has 300,000 kilometres up and needs more work than economically viable to keep it going.
Unfortunately all three of these cars had issues at the same time.
What's worse, my wife is in and out of hospital at the moment and I needed to take her there and the only working car broke down on the way - fortunately only 50 metres away from home.
That bought the situation to a head.

Since I now am in not a situation where depreciation of new cars is appreciated I bought second hand - low k's at reasonable price. There are hundreds of W204's for sale but not many W211's post 2007 or w212's at reasonable price.

Daimler has made 2 million W204's. I was expecting to get more than 40,000 kilometre out of some minor suspension parts.
The Japanese would laugh at this.
Did you know that the W204 sway bar bushings are not replaceable - they are melded to the bar. You need to buy a complete sway bar when the bushings fail. In Australia the sway bar is hundreds of dollars. If you get it changed at the stealership you can count on a four figure bill.
W204 - C280
W202 - C180
W210 - E240
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W202 - C180 - On consignment to nephew
W126 - 380SE , 380SE (Ex SA Import), 560SEL
W124 - 300e, 260e (ex Japan)
W111 220s (Indonesia) 4 speed manual column shift
W123 230
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W140 420SEL
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Re: W204

Post by T-Modell » Mon 14 Aug, 2017 8:22 pm

Ivanerrol wrote:...
What's worse, my wife is in and out of hospital at the moment and I needed to take her there and the only working car broke down on the way - fortunately only 50 metres away from home.
That bought the situation to a head.
...
I understand and I'm sorry to hear that. All the best to your wife!
Thomas
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Re: W204

Post by Ivanerrol » Sat 19 Aug, 2017 11:45 pm

I've had a talk to the P.O. of my car - who bought it new.
The car has only done 2000K's since 2013.
It had a "B" service at a stealership back in October last year. Since bringing the car back from the stealer, the car sat there and didn't move.

I'll get the car up on the hoist in a few days and check out the suspension. Sitting as a garage queen doesn't do cars any good at all. :think:
W204 - C280
W202 - C180
W210 - E240
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W202 - C200
W202 - C180 - On consignment to nephew
W126 - 380SE , 380SE (Ex SA Import), 560SEL
W124 - 300e, 260e (ex Japan)
W111 220s (Indonesia) 4 speed manual column shift
W123 230
W116 450SEL
W140 420SEL
W210 E240
W209 CLK 240
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Re: W204

Post by DBW124 » Sun 20 Aug, 2017 7:20 pm

I'm interested to hear about problems with the 204.

I've had my W124 for 8.5 years (and 130,000 ks). Worth peanuts due to minor cosmetic issues, but I'm happy enough to continue chucking the odd $1k every couple of years on stuff that need doing above and beyond normal servicing. Plus it can't depreciate any more.

Having said that, a bit more safety equipment, along with more performance (preferably with reduced fuel use) has it's appeal.

I have been looking at CarSales.com to check prices on 2007 V-6 CLKs and W211s, as well as W204s, initially V-6s, but erring towards late 250s with the 7 G-Tronic and updated dash.

My only major issue with the W211 is that it weighs about 200 kg more than my 124 or the CLK/W204. Seems like too much car for one person. A CLK with the same engine should use less fuel and perform better.

So, I'd almost settled on waiting a year or two before getting a late W204 C250, which would perform better than my E280, along with using much less fuel.

Now you've thrown a spanner in the works
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Re: W204

Post by DBW124 » Sun 20 Aug, 2017 7:22 pm

The major plus of the W211 is the gunsight on the bonnet :dance:
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Re: W204

Post by T-Modell » Sun 20 Aug, 2017 7:28 pm

DBW124 wrote:...
My only major issue with the W211 is that it weighs about 200 kg more than my 124 or the CLK/W204. ...
Where did you get that information from? They're nearly the same, here two V6-versions:
W211-W204 weight.jpg
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Re: W204

Post by Ivanerrol » Sun 20 Aug, 2017 10:39 pm

My 204 has the "gunsights" and the seven speed. It's an Elegance spec with all the bells and whistles.
In the U.S. "Luxury" (or elegance models) got the straight grill and bonnet star. All others have the larger grill star.
These are completely interchangeable.

I'll have to admit. Driving the 204 around all day and then getting into the W202 - The 202 feels rather "agricultural".

I.M.H.O Using a 20 year old plus car as a Daily Driver will in the near distant future start costing more than a $1000 a year to keep it legal and reliable.

The second hand Benz philosophy hasn't changed. If you buy one out of warranty then be prepared to do all the maintenance work yourself. This includes late models.
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W210 - E240
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W124 - 300e, 260e (ex Japan)
W111 220s (Indonesia) 4 speed manual column shift
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W140 420SEL
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Re: W204

Post by Ivanerrol » Sun 20 Aug, 2017 10:53 pm

DBW124 wrote: My only major issue with the W211 is that it weighs about 200 kg more than my 124 or the CLK/W204. Seems like too much car for one person. A CLK with the same engine should use less fuel and perform better.
With the seven speed you hardly notice the negligible weight difference. The engines have been revised with the torque coming out at much lower revs.

The diesels have enormous torque. They are much more pleasant to drive around town than the equivalent petrol.

There's a 2009 (the last of them) W209 CLK 280 in Melbourne with very low K's for around $28K. I might have settled on that except it's a two door and wifey doesn't like two doors.
There's also a 2010 E250cgi coupe in Templestowe. It's like brand new - I tested it - 48K Kilometers for shade under $30K.
2 door cars are heavy - check the weight against the 4 doors.

If you are used to the ride of the W124 you need to do a bit of test driving of the W204's. They are made for the "Younger market" - harder, sportier ride.

If you are after a 6 or 8 cylinder make sure you check the engine number is post the troublesome issues date and serial.
W204 - C280
W202 - C180
W210 - E240
Departed
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W202 - C180 - On consignment to nephew
W126 - 380SE , 380SE (Ex SA Import), 560SEL
W124 - 300e, 260e (ex Japan)
W111 220s (Indonesia) 4 speed manual column shift
W123 230
W116 450SEL
W140 420SEL
W210 E240
W209 CLK 240
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Re: W204

Post by DBW124 » Thu 24 Aug, 2017 8:40 pm

I'm not really a 2-door person, but am considering the CLK (over a W203 C350) as is German assembled, plus weight/size benefit considerations compared to the W211.

Well aware of V6 issues but thanks for the link.
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Re: W204

Post by DBW124 » Thu 24 Aug, 2017 8:55 pm

T-Modell wrote:
Sun 20 Aug, 2017 7:28 pm
DBW124 wrote:...
My only major issue with the W211 is that it weighs about 200 kg more than my 124 or the CLK/W204. ...
Where did you get that information from? They're nearly the same, here two V6-versions:
W211-W204 weight.jpg
Regards
Thomas
Thanks Thomas,

A W211 E280 Sport (Aust spec) weighs just under a 100kg more than a CLK 280 Avantgarde (I'm not ruling out 350s). Actual official Australian fuel consumption figures are very similar. What I should do is test drive several of each and make note of fuel consumptions displayed.
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Re: W204

Post by markb » Thu 24 Aug, 2017 8:57 pm

Les and others,
Interested on your views on the W204 diesels, as one of my brothers is currently looking to buy one
Any pitfalls, recalls or other specific to the diesel .

Thanks in advance
Mark
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Re: W204

Post by Ivanerrol » Thu 24 Aug, 2017 11:13 pm

markb wrote:
Thu 24 Aug, 2017 8:57 pm
Les and others,
Interested on your views on the W204 diesels, as one of my brothers is currently looking to buy one
Any pitfalls, recalls or other specific to the diesel .

Thanks in advance
Mark
Just be careful of the 2010 - late 2012 cars with the problematic injectors. Mate needed the injectors changed out on both his E220 and C220.
Make sure to get one with the blue tec option - the one with two fillers in the fuel tank area. The additive keeps the upper cylinders clean for direct injection engines.
Overseas experience is that oil changes with high quality stuff more frequently than the service book tells you.
Make sure the EGR valves are cleaned out or replaced in good time. Dirty oil or solids have been known to get into the turbos and this is a large cause of turbo failures
W204 - C280
W202 - C180
W210 - E240
Departed
W202 - C200
W202 - C180 - On consignment to nephew
W126 - 380SE , 380SE (Ex SA Import), 560SEL
W124 - 300e, 260e (ex Japan)
W111 220s (Indonesia) 4 speed manual column shift
W123 230
W116 450SEL
W140 420SEL
W210 E240
W209 CLK 240
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Re: W204

Post by AMG » Wed 06 Sep, 2017 5:07 pm

Re the carbon in EGR.

See costeffective.com.au.

grab some FTC decarbonizer.

I've been using it for a while now and can tell you that it works in both petrol and diesel engines. actually it is quite shocking what it keeps out of the EGR and upper cyl area.

In the RRC, it has decarbonized the exhaust areas so much that the manifold and collector gaskets now have leaks in them and all the bolts need re-tightening. Anyone who owns a landrover will understand exactly what that means and how clean it is - and why carbon got there in the first place.
Mercedes owner maybe not so much understanding.... unless they have seen warped manifolds ex-factory, cases of CDI black death or oil sludging before.

with 354000km on the rover 3.9 and no rebuild, I was amazed at the flushing oil treatment and the decarb has done over the last 3500km. It's so ridiculous, that talking about it would make me sound like Tim Shaw.
I documented it on the landy forum with pics etc. Bottom line is the product lives up to it's claims - exceeds them in my circumstances. I'm continuing to use it in the maintenance measurements, and the engine keeps improving. Somewhere along the line soon I am expecting this to halt, because it's a complete bucket of sh* motor, and I have the OM606 to put in now, which will get the exact same treatment with FOC and FTC, now that I have seen first hand just how effective the products are.
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1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B

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Re: W204

Post by Ivanerrol » Thu 07 Sep, 2017 11:11 pm

F.W.I.W.
Carbon problems.
Subaru Flatties are intolerant of missed oil changes. The upper cylinders sludge up very quickly.
This has been the case for years.
Whenever I took my Subyies in for stealer servicing they always ran a upper cylinder decarbon solution through - every service from new.

Be wary of buying a poorly serviced Suby or one without the service books.
W204 - C280
W202 - C180
W210 - E240
Departed
W202 - C200
W202 - C180 - On consignment to nephew
W126 - 380SE , 380SE (Ex SA Import), 560SEL
W124 - 300e, 260e (ex Japan)
W111 220s (Indonesia) 4 speed manual column shift
W123 230
W116 450SEL
W140 420SEL
W210 E240
W209 CLK 240
W201 190e 2.6 (ex U.K.)

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Re: W204

Post by AMG » Fri 08 Sep, 2017 8:42 am

Les,
The 204 I got my old man into is running beautifully and not giving an ounce of trouble. Other than Mum pot-holing rims - I've got that car covered for the next 5 years of servicing already with parts on the shelf - the fuel filter is really the only 'big' ticket standard routine replacement service part, air filters are a bit on the 'wtf' price, but then I compare it to say an old D-jet SL filter and really, theyre about the same 'stupid factor' money. I'll probably look for a K&N replacement down the track after I've exhausted the stock of spares. Cabin filters are dirt cheap, as are oil filters. the Trans kit is a bit more than previous, due to the stupid fill process.
My long-time mechanic mate is looking after the chassis side of things and doing the fluids when I can't get there, He has my WIS documents to follow and loves how easy they are to work on, compared to his usual mainstream work. We have replaced the silicon-fluid filled thrust arm bushes in the front with new SuperPro ones, and the results are "better than new" and no discernable increase in NVH. The steering has sharpened up a LOT. Dad always liked a quick steering car, and he's much happier now, than he was 2 years ago with it. Those bushes in the front flog out real quick on brisbane roads. In the rear, the DEALER had refitted a suspension linkage upside-down and Dad kept taking it back to them telling them something not right in the back.... I

Needless to say that was the last straw when Brian put it on his hoist and found the worn thrust arm bushes and rear linkage...

Have not had a single problem with tyre wear, clunks or rattles or thumps since. Like everything, it pays to have a mate with a hoist :laughing6:

Filling the trans properly using the MB standard practice is a PITA. Clearly it is designed to be of significant enough "OEM" complexity that having the fill tools and scanner etc to measure temp is just ridiculous.
Not to mention the trans pan and bung etc. Almost like those "sealed for life" 722.6's over in the US that gave MBUSA grief all those years ago.
Current:
1987 560SL 4sp. auto Signalrot "Stella"
1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B

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Re: W204

Post by Ivanerrol » Fri 08 Sep, 2017 12:08 pm

The control arm and thrust arm bushings - based on overseas experience only last up to 80,000km's irrespective of lousy roads.
MB, BMW have a jihad about speed bumps.
The U.K. has seen the light and are trying to ban speed bumps.

We have speed bumps in our work car park. Technically not up to spec - too high and too short - play havoc with car suspensions.

There should be a compulsory law to regulate speed bumps.

The thrust arms on the drivers side on my car have faulty ball joints - so the whole arm must be changed.

There is a special tool that can be bought to change the bushings while the arms are still in the car. MB use a portable hydraulic press to do the job.
With the Australian cost of new arms I might be investing in a tool imported from the U.S. to change the bushings when they go. It will ultimately pay for itself.
W204 - C280
W202 - C180
W210 - E240
Departed
W202 - C200
W202 - C180 - On consignment to nephew
W126 - 380SE , 380SE (Ex SA Import), 560SEL
W124 - 300e, 260e (ex Japan)
W111 220s (Indonesia) 4 speed manual column shift
W123 230
W116 450SEL
W140 420SEL
W210 E240
W209 CLK 240
W201 190e 2.6 (ex U.K.)

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