Roundie Rally car - which one?

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Roundie Rally car - which one?

Post by GrampiansMerc » Mon 28 Apr, 2014 10:21 pm

Hey there

I am considering entering the shitbox rally next year in a roundie?

But which one 180D 190D(b) or a petrol one :dontknow:

Which one would be a good starting platform? Can they be easily converted to floor shift?
Not sure I could do 5000kms with a four speed on the column!

I do not mind bastardising it from a few different models (bucket seats from a petrol car 220)
Better springs, bigger fuel tank.

Rules state that the car must be $1000 dollars but it can be donated......and parts......
and I can "buy" it back after the rally has finished. I do not mind doing this it just means an extra $1000 for the cancer charity

something like this:
http://www5.mercedes-benz.com/en/histor ... -oldtimer/

and this
http://bringatrailer.com/2013/01/31/bio ... benz-190d/


Thanks for your input.
I was considering my 300TD but think I need more of a challenge for this rally. :boohoo:
the W123 would do it to easy - with cruise control and air con. :dance:
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Re: Roundie Rally car - which one?

Post by pastelgrey300D » Tue 29 Apr, 2014 10:39 am

I think the biggest challenge will be to find a Roundie for under $1k in the first place.

Even this car which was advertised here on ozbenz and from all accounts looks to be not much more than a parts car ended up going for over $1k.
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=18914&p=136949
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Mercedes-Ben ... 7675.l2557

Having said that you probably could have picked it up for less than that when it first appeared on here, and there was that period about 6-12 months ago when there were several diesel and 4 cyl pontons up on gumtree/ebay for around the $500 mark. Who knows what the market will do or what will come up in the next few months?

This one just popped up on ebay - there are two of them but maybe the second 'parts car' could be used for the rally once you find a suitable engine and you re-sell (or just keep) the good one?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MERCEDES-220 ... 43c8da53cf

Not sure about motor compatibility though, I think pontons and Finnies have different engine mountings and different blocks (?) but with a bit of skill you could probably get anything to fit. :laughing6:

As for the gearbox, I think you could easily convert it to floor shift, the column shift box just has two linkages and if you get a 2-linkage shifter from a jap car at your local wreckers and make up two linkage rods I reckon it could be done pretty easily - might look a little ghetto rigged but I think that's the whole point to the shitbox rally anyway...

I'm biased but what about doing it in a Finnie? Much more likely to get a W110 or W111 in (almost) running shape for under $1k.
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Re: Roundie Rally car - which one?

Post by John Green » Tue 29 Apr, 2014 10:42 am

pastelgrey300D wrote:I think the biggest challenge will be to find a Roundie for under $1k in the first place.

Much more likely to get a W110 or W111 in (almost) running shape for under $1k.

Correct, we would pay easy $1k for any complete Ponton, running or not. So one that is registrable for $1k is going to be a real challenge. However given that you have decided not to use the W123 wagon and are up for the challenge, I await reports of your progress.
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Post by cuisses » Tue 29 Apr, 2014 11:49 pm

A roundie would make a great rally car - nice and simple, but I agree you are not going to get one for less than $1K. Your only hope would be to know someone who just wants to get rid of one, or perhaps you could ask around the local clubs?
A finnie, perhaps, but even these aren't cheap. I did see a W108 for free on the Vic MB club site, but this has gone.
The $1K rule apparently also includes some rego, which means you have to get a car for a little more than scrap value. The organisers are making the life of a fan of old Benz's difficult, aren't they?
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Re: Roundie Rally car - which one?

Post by GrampiansMerc » Wed 30 Apr, 2014 11:45 pm

Under $1k or donated.....(I could buy one for a bit more and then donate it to my self :laughing5: )
I would have to buy it back at the end of the rally - ie donate $1K to the rally organisers for the Cancer Council - which would be fine with me :sunny:
I little bit screwy but in keeping with the fundraising style of a rally like this

And hopefully I could use it on club rego permit system but will have to check this with the organisers of the event!
1980 300TD "Anna" - 400,000kms and still cruising, converted to SVO
1979 300D - sold, gone to be restored
1980 300D - "Lightning" recently purchased and currently making repairs
2006 Musso - Korean Mercedes, 5 cylinder diesel - Blown head gasket, buggered motor, grrrrrrr (I will stick with German Mercs)
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Re: Roundie Rally car - which one?

Post by pastelgrey300D » Thu 01 May, 2014 11:46 am

I little bit screwy but in keeping with the fundraising style of a rally like this
I know what you mean. Last Shitbox rally there was a team who had a round nosed Mini van. For Mini enthusiasts, getting any sort of mini in complete or running condition for under $1k is an effort - a 60's round nose van is almost impossible to find for that price. They say they spent $800 on the car and then had a lot of the parts donated - but I reckon by the time they lined up on the start they would have had a car that was 'worth' at least $2.5-3k.
http://bmcexperience.com.au/bmce-issue7 ... rally.html

Seeing as it's getting so popular maybe they need to start a 'shitbox rally classic' for pre-80s cars? :laughing6:

Seriously though, it adds another dimension to the preparation - unlike the guys who are running jap cars, old falcodores and other eurotrash from the late 80s and early 90s which will never be collectible cars or chased after by enthusiasts.
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Re: Roundie Rally car - which one?

Post by Mercmad » Sat 03 May, 2014 8:29 am

You will not find a cheap running roundie now . They are being sought after by the most different crowd possible . In the USA they are driven on a daily basis by a lot of owners who range from DIYers to professional types who pay someone else to do the work. One guy has even shipped his to japan so he can keep driving it while being posted there for work. If you do find a diesel for less than a grand,you wont need much apart from the usual things,brakes,battery,hoses belts fuel system clean etc to get it running. Everything else is of such a high quality and so understressed that nothing really wears out. Body work is a different situation though, When a roundie rusts it dissolves in front of you .

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Re: Roundie Rally car - which one?

Post by Mercmad » Mon 05 May, 2014 7:32 am

Heres a good indication as to what it costs to get a 'cheap' roundie.
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http://redding.craigslist.org/cto/4447915240.html

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Re: Roundie Rally car - which one?

Post by GrampiansMerc » Mon 05 May, 2014 1:27 pm

Eeeeeek - engine fire. :angryfire:
I see them occasionally on ebay for around $1K
1980 300TD "Anna" - 400,000kms and still cruising, converted to SVO
1979 300D - sold, gone to be restored
1980 300D - "Lightning" recently purchased and currently making repairs
2006 Musso - Korean Mercedes, 5 cylinder diesel - Blown head gasket, buggered motor, grrrrrrr (I will stick with German Mercs)
Looking for 300GD LWB five door!
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Re: Roundie Rally car - which one?

Post by Hendrik » Mon 05 May, 2014 2:57 pm

GrampiansMerc wrote:Eeeeeek - engine fire. :angryfire:
I see them occasionally on ebay for around $1K
Ahh don't worry a Diesel roundie only has three wires under the bonnet.

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Post by Mercmad » Tue 06 May, 2014 7:10 pm

Thats sunburn, theres nothing under diesels bonnet to burn,the car is in Redding california so I 'd say the nose has been sticking out of a shed for a long time.

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Re: Roundie Rally car - which one?

Post by GrampiansMerc » Sun 31 Aug, 2014 10:59 pm

Might be reconsidering, as I have a nice w123 300D sedan that I have bought and fixed up for under $1000 and 2015 is to townsville! Starting in ACT then the birdsville track and simpson desert - that will be a challenge. :pray:

And looks like there was a w123 in this years rally (diesel by the headlights.)

http://www.shitboxrally.com.au/gallery/ ... 4789713609

And another merc... not sure what model.

http://www.shitboxrally.com.au/gallery/ ... 5209437532
1980 300TD "Anna" - 400,000kms and still cruising, converted to SVO
1979 300D - sold, gone to be restored
1980 300D - "Lightning" recently purchased and currently making repairs
2006 Musso - Korean Mercedes, 5 cylinder diesel - Blown head gasket, buggered motor, grrrrrrr (I will stick with German Mercs)
Looking for 300GD LWB five door!
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Re: Roundie Rally car - which one?

Post by pastelgrey300D » Mon 01 Sep, 2014 12:52 pm

looks like a 230E
That car was entered by a local architect here in Adelaide (our company made a donation to him). An interesting story behind that one - he had run a W123 in a previous rally and the 230E was a last minute replacement - he had planned to do this years in a Subaru sherpa. He had parked the sherpa on the road and almost had it towed twice after neighbors reported it to the council as an abandoned vehicle - the Subaru then did a head gasket but they could not repair it on budget as the parts were hideously expensive - apparently the 2 cylinder sherpa engine is the engine of choice for ultralight aircraft so you are paying aviation prices for spares. So the 230E was purchased just 1 week out from the rally and only just made it to the start line after spending most of the week at the mechanics trying to sort out an electrical problem.
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