1959 190D project (maybe)

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1959 190D project (maybe)

Post by DieselJames » Sat 07 Sep, 2013 12:57 am

Hey folks,

This is my first foray into W121 territory from W123 land and I'm seeking a bit of advice and opinion.

Recently I got put in touch with an older gentleman who has a '59 190D 4spd manual sitting in bits in his garage.

I had tea + biscuits with him yesterday and had a great chat. Story is; served as a taxi from '59-'69, he bought it in '70 for a project at UNSW on alternative fuels. He rebuilt the engine in 1970 and ran it on peanut oil to and from Broken Hill until 1986 when it was parked and it hasn't moved since. Every 20, 000 miles guys from his lab would pull the head, injectors etc to investigate any changes. He had a shelf load of books full of data Re this, an interesting history that would be nice to know more about

Anyway, I had a look at the car in situ and it ain't pretty. There's about 5mm of dust sitting over it, the pulled engine next to the driver's door and NOS & used Benz bits strewn around the place, kinda looks like someone had a bit of a party taking things apart. The panel and paint is terrible, but the interior is mostly immaculate, no tears or cracks in the dash.
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The owner would like it to go to good home and my old man wouldn't mind a project so I'm considering expressing an interest in it.

So I'm curious to hear what you think I should consider when taking this model on as a project and whether this model is particularly desirable? Are there any headaches associated with the W121 190D? I do like the fact that it has an OM engine

Thanks for you input,
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Re: 1959 190D project (maybe)

Post by cuisses » Sat 07 Sep, 2013 8:20 am

So I'm curious to hear what you think I should consider when taking this model on as a project and whether this model is particularly desirable?
Hey, all Mercedes cars are "particularly desirable" - apart from the A Class, and those silly ones they made in the 90's where the wiring loom disintegrates :whistle: .

I work at a university, and this looks exactly like what would happen if you allowed a group of academics a bit of time with a perfectly functional car. My W108 is very lucky it does not look like this.

Given the state of things, I wouldn't go near that car, unless you want a very long-term project. When a car is in pieces like that I always wonder what pieces are lost or missing, and how much time and money it is going to take to replace them.

Of course, if the interior is nice you could just buy it for that and swap it into another roundie.
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Re: 1959 190D project (maybe)

Post by pastelgrey300D » Sat 07 Sep, 2013 10:33 am

Are there any headaches associated with the W121 190D?
These are mechanically very simple and robust cars and parts should not be hard to find, most of the common issues are covered in detail on the mbzponton website: http://mbzponton.org/valueadded/mainten ... rkshop.htm

The biggest issue would be rust but if it has been shedded for the last 20 years then it may not be too bad - but as David has said it would be a very long term project!
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Re: 1959 190D project (maybe)

Post by John Green » Sat 07 Sep, 2013 3:44 pm

As several have noted, that would be a BIG job to get back on the road. My only comment would be that if you are looking at various options for a project car then the interesting one with the history is the one to go for. Doesn't really make it worth much more, but certainly would make it a more desirable car to own.
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Re: 1959 190D project (maybe)

Post by GrampiansMerc » Mon 09 Sep, 2013 11:52 am

Offer to remove it and clean up his garage for free :wav:
Or get it for less than a grand and leave the mess to him.

Then you have a good start for a project - but maybe find a another one for all the bits that might be missing not working- come up on Gumtree/ebay every now and again.

I am still looking for a good honest driver(that is not a rust bucket) for under 5K

but they are around.

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Re: 1959 190D project (maybe)

Post by Hendrik » Mon 09 Sep, 2013 12:25 pm

I think it comes down to rust and price, also depends on your skills, as to how much you can do yourself.
What are your plans, fix it up to be a good daily or restore to concourse standard?

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Re: 1959 190D project (maybe)

Post by DieselJames » Mon 09 Sep, 2013 11:07 pm

Thanks for the input fellas,

As I procrastinate the idea of taking it on is growing on me.
Hendrik wrote:I think it comes down to rust and price, also depends on your skills, as to how much you can do yourself.
What are your plans, fix it up to be a good daily or restore to concourse standard?
If the owner is correct the car should be 100% complete + plus spare & new parts, it would just be an enormous mechano-esque puzzle to complete. And as far as I can tell the car is rust free (but I'm not acquainted with problem spots in W121s) and straight as a die. I'd feel comfortable doing all the mechanical stuff but it really needs a respray and I'm not looking to drop a few grand on another car in the next few months.

I've found a lot of resources online about working on these cars and repro parts seem accessible which is desirable.

I failed to mention also that the owner also has a mostly immaculate DS23 Safari sitting on bricks too, so an offer for the two may be on the cards..

It all depends on how motivated he is send them to a good home and if I can convince my old man to allocate some garage space for incoming projects.

Planning on a second visit in a couple of weeks to clear the crap from around it and scrutinise it properly, will keep you posted!
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Re: 1959 190D project (maybe)

Post by cuisses » Tue 10 Sep, 2013 1:00 am

I failed to mention also that the owner also has a mostly immaculate DS23 Safari sitting on bricks too, so an offer for the two may be on the cards..
I have never heard of a DS23 Safari before, but having googled it, it looks like a helluva car. I hope it is in better shape than the roundie.
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Re: 1959 190D project (maybe)

Post by Mercmad » Fri 25 Oct, 2013 6:44 pm

This was last month,but i will chime in. A mate of mate has been collecting 4 cyl. Roundies for a few months now and they seem to be gaining in value as the younger folks see that thery are a very useable car with plenty of parts support from the manufacturer and a great on line site (IPOG on yahoo groups) .his would bwe a good candidate for a rebuild,theres nothing comlicated in them and the whole power unit comes out in one peicwe for service. As long as all the bits are there ,especially the headlights, it's still worth a grand.
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Re: 1959 190D project (maybe)

Post by GrampiansMerc » Tue 14 Oct, 2014 9:20 pm

Did you ever get your hands on that roundie in the Garage?

If not I might be interested.
1980 300TD "Anna" - 400,000kms and still cruising, converted to SVO
1979 300D - sold, gone to be restored
1980 300D - "Lightning" recently purchased and currently making repairs
2006 Musso - Korean Mercedes, 5 cylinder diesel - Blown head gasket, buggered motor, grrrrrrr (I will stick with German Mercs)
Looking for 300GD LWB five door!
http://www.overlander300td.wordpress.com/

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