Roundies - what should I be looking for?

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Roundies - what should I be looking for?

Post by GrampiansMerc » Mon 27 May, 2013 9:02 am

Hey there,

I am in the market (maybe) for a original roundie (diesel)
What should I look for? I have a w123 so I know about leaks and rust :drunken:

What is the 180D or 190D differences?

Any other $$$ defects that could trap a buyer :Doh:
What sort of money does a good one bring compared to a rough but complete and still nice to drive one?

Thanks
Adam
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Post by pastelgrey300D » Mon 27 May, 2013 11:14 am

The 180D had a pushrod OM636 engine, the 190D had the OHC OM621 with about 25% more power. Both engines are mechanically very robust though and the 180D has slightly better fuel consumption. The 180D actually remained in production alongside the W110 Finnies until 1962, it ended up with a detuned version of the OM621 from 1961-1962.

Not much difference in the body other than the 190D having extra chrome trim around the base of the windows and a slightly different interior.

Heaps of info on the mbzponton site, not sure if there is a 'buyers guide' as such though... http://www.mbzponton.org/valueadded/mai ... rkshop.htm
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Post by cuisses » Mon 27 May, 2013 1:38 pm

There is one guy in the club here who has a 180D. It has outrageous fuel economy - I think he has only filled the tank once in 50 years. However he also claims that it can accelerate from 0 to 60 in about 15 minutes. :think:
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Post by pastelgrey300D » Mon 27 May, 2013 2:44 pm

Yep, the 180D is the reason why many clubs have abandoned economy runs... sitting on 80-90km/h you can get 5l/100 or better - but with 43 horsepower you won't be able to go much faster - the top speed is about 110.

Interestingly the pushrod OM636 ended up living on as the engine that powered Thermo king refrigeration units in refrigerated rail cars and shipping containers as well as being a very popular marine engine.
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Post by GrampiansMerc » Mon 27 May, 2013 4:44 pm

Thanks
Tats the info I needed.
Any first hand information from owners???
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Post by Hendrik » Mon 27 May, 2013 5:22 pm

cuisses wrote:There is one guy in the club here who has a 180D. It has outrageous fuel economy - I think he has only filled the tank once in 50 years. However he also claims that it can accelerate from 0 to 60 in about 15 minutes. :think:
Ahh yes a simpler and slower time, when people looked at the scenery instead of their iWhatever.

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Post by pastelgrey300D » Tue 28 May, 2013 6:07 pm

PM sent - there have actually been quite a few Roundies up for sale around Adelaide in the last few months - all of them diesel too - there was a 1954 180D, one or two 190D's and now this one on ebay (which I think had been advertised on gumtree earlier in the year):

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/261221263982 ... 1423.l2649

Although all of them have been at the bottom end of the market and would require lots of mechanical work to get up to scratch, then there would be all the work needed to the body...
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Post by Mercmad » Wed 29 May, 2013 10:22 pm

Join the IPOG on the yahoo groups . There are a LOT of diesel owners from around the world who love them. A lot of OZ cars have ened up in Lebanon where the locals treat them like OZ's treat EH holdens.
One owner in Canada drove his to a meet in the USA ,imagine driving that far! but the classic center has one they won rallies with in the early 50's . The real ero or Heroine is the lady from Columbia who travelled from South America to Alaska ,right around America and back home again!!. The car ran fine and only a steering box was replaced.

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Post by GrampiansMerc » Wed 05 Jun, 2013 11:58 am

Hey there

I have been looking at a few cars for sale (only on the net) - have not found any close enough to visit.

Are the 180D better than the 190D/190DB - body, gearbox, brakes, interior etc.
Is the OM621 engine better than OM636

Is there any benefit in buying a later model 1960 vs 1958 or earlier?

Are there value (price) differences? More desirable models are....?

Thanks
Adam
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1979 300D - sold, gone to be restored
1980 300D - "Lightning" recently purchased and currently making repairs
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Post by pastelgrey300D » Wed 05 Jun, 2013 1:07 pm

I wouldn't say that one engine is 'better' than the other as such, both will use bugger all fuel but you will probably appreciate the extra power from the 190. My personal preference would be for a 59 on 190b/Db as these are very mechanically similar to an early Finnie so parts availability may be better - for example drew is parting out a 190Dc Finnie at the moment which has an identical drivetrain. The grille and hubcaps of the b models are also the same as a Finnie so its easier to find replacements. Also I like the look of the 59 update models with the wider grille and larger bumpers (personal preference). I don't think there would be much difference in price at all between a 180 or 190. A car is likely to be more desirable if it has an unusual colour scheme or has unusual factory options.

Here's one in Tas, maybe Anf or eri might be able to have a look? Certainly looks better than the one on ebay here in Adel (mind you the photo is date stamped 2006...)
http://www.justauto.com.au/justcars/buy ... to+results

Also, in your search for one, keep your eyes on the more 'traditional' advertising sources such as classified magazines (unique cars, just cars) and printed ads, not to generalize but a lot of the owners of cars of this era may not be internet savvy (i've found this with Finnies too!). Might also be worth contacting the Vic club, a fair number or cars change hands within club circles or the sellers contact the club first.
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Post by John Green » Wed 05 Jun, 2013 1:59 pm

GrampiansMerc wrote:Hey there, I am in the market (maybe) for a original roundie (diesel) What should I look for? Adam
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Post by Carltonbutler » Wed 10 Jul, 2013 5:19 pm

This would be an interesting face off..Waiting for more..!!

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Post by pastelgrey300D » Fri 23 Aug, 2013 3:57 pm

Hi Adam, are you still looking? This one has just popped up again - it was for sale a few months ago but obviously didn't sell:

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/goolwa/c ... 1026250542

Mind you, it is located in Goolwa which is coastal - so if it has spent more than a few years there it may have some rust issues. I know of a local parts source who could probably help with the missing lights too, but it would be a lot of work!
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Post by GrampiansMerc » Mon 26 Aug, 2013 9:26 am

Hmm... good parts car (1955 must be a early one)
If i can get a 1958 180D for the right price I would be interested in this one.

Thanks for the heads up

but this one is a bit out of my budget (did they type too many zeros!!) $28K for a roughie

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/deta ... =0&sdmvc=1
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1979 300D - sold, gone to be restored
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Post by efirestorer » Thu 29 Aug, 2013 2:05 pm

GrampiansMerc , if you are still interested in a diesel , look at the Victorian MB Club website , a member is offering a 1958 180D for sale $4500. If you are a member , the ad will appear in the monthly newsletter shortly.

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Post by GrampiansMerc » Thu 29 Aug, 2013 4:53 pm

Thanks
But... it is the rusty heap in Ballarat! Not worth 2K let alone $4500!

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1980 300TD "Anna" - 400,000kms and still cruising, converted to SVO
1979 300D - sold, gone to be restored
1980 300D - "Lightning" recently purchased and currently making repairs
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Post by pastelgrey300D » Tue 31 Dec, 2013 9:55 am

Hey Adam, not sure if you're still looking, but this has just popped up in Brissy.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Mercedes-Ben ... 1c3ab9d86a

There are quite a few ozbenzers close by that might be able to help with an inspection. Looks like a bit of a jigsaw but if it has in fact been shedded since the 80s the body could be quite good. Just a thought! :think:
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Post by Mercmad » Tue 31 Dec, 2013 7:42 pm

ARGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Dave Dave,what are doing!!??? It is so close to me I could probably walk there to see it....and buy it.




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Post by pastelgrey300D » Wed 01 Jan, 2014 4:22 pm

I'm surprised you hadn't already bought it Ron! Or at least knew about the car already seeing as it's so close!
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Post by pastelgrey300D » Wed 01 Jan, 2014 4:24 pm

I'm surprised you hadn't already bought it Ron! Or at least knew about the car already seeing as it's so close! Surely someone as industrious as yourself could grab it cheap, put all the bits back on and get the engine running and sell it on as a complete and going concern - or fix it up and keep it for ever and ever! :think:
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Post by Mercmad » Wed 01 Jan, 2014 6:01 pm

I am going to have a look at it tommorrow morning. it's about 5 minutes walk from my place. I am often surprised at some of the mercs that surface right here . I know of a few sitting in sheds gathering dust ,including a 220SE cabrio. Another is a 190 SL which has been in OZ since 2008 but never driven much because of a bad engine tune ,loose clutch linkage and the owner has a wife who hates the car... :pale:

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Post by Mercmad » Wed 01 Jan, 2014 6:09 pm

GrampiansMerc wrote:Hey there,

I am in the market (maybe) for a original roundie (diesel)
What should I look for? I have a w123 so I know about leaks and rust :drunken:

What is the 180D or 190D differences?

Any other $$$ defects that could trap a buyer :Doh:
What sort of money does a good one bring compared to a rough but complete and still nice to drive one?

Thanks
Adam
A mate has a 220S fo sale on car sales right now. it's a pretty good car with the paint being redone in it's original colour of Lime green some years ago . it runs really well. How Well? he has just driven from Townsville to Sydney without a problem. The colour is a pretty rare one,but rest assured it's original.
http://www.carsales.com.au/private/deta ... =2&sdmvc=1

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Post by GrampiansMerc » Thu 02 Jan, 2014 3:36 pm

Thanks Mercmad

That is a very nice looking car, funky lime green colour but I am after a diesel one probably a 190Db, if I can find a decent one for a good price. :color:

and that 190Db in Queensland is still there...http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Mercedes-Ben ... 1c3ab9d86a
but a bit too far for me to travel - transport would be a killer.


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1980 300TD "Anna" - 400,000kms and still cruising, converted to SVO
1979 300D - sold, gone to be restored
1980 300D - "Lightning" recently purchased and currently making repairs
2006 Musso - Korean Mercedes, 5 cylinder diesel - Blown head gasket, buggered motor, grrrrrrr (I will stick with German Mercs)
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Post by Mercmad » Fri 03 Jan, 2014 8:21 pm

I had a look at the car yesterday and someone has bought it.
It was well worth the asking price. Don,the owner bought the car 50 years ago ,trading his 180D on it...!.
He was married in it and in 1983 it was decided that the paint was shot so he gave it to his son ,who was a car painter by trade. unfortunately his son was killed in a car crash and the car has sat in dry storage in their garage for 30 years. :pale:

It runs nicely ( has a new crankshaft and rods ,pistons etc ) ,as Don is a Diesel mechanic and works for mack trucks as a development engineer with 40 years service there. I would have been a buyer if the auction had of played out. The car is in very good condition apart from the paint ,all the rubbers are perfect and the brakes have been rebuilt. those two things can cost thousands to put right on a roundie if genny parts are used .
I was torturing myself with questions about where I could store until i got it roadworhy, the idea being to simply get it running and put it for sale as roadworthy resto project.
Good luck to the new owner!!they have bought well. :occasion5:

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Post by GrampiansMerc » Thu 09 Jan, 2014 11:37 am

Had it been down south I would have been a buyer.....
I will keep smurfin around until a find one :smurf:
1980 300TD "Anna" - 400,000kms and still cruising, converted to SVO
1979 300D - sold, gone to be restored
1980 300D - "Lightning" recently purchased and currently making repairs
2006 Musso - Korean Mercedes, 5 cylinder diesel - Blown head gasket, buggered motor, grrrrrrr (I will stick with German Mercs)
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Post by pastelgrey300D » Mon 22 Sep, 2014 3:06 pm

Hey Adam, are you still looking? Here is one that is a bit of a project but could be yours for very little:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/mercedes-190 ... RTM1714243

You could fit a later OM621.918 with the 5 bearing crank or a OM616 for extra power! Hell why not a 617? :dance:

One of the very last of the roundies as it has the chunky bumpers and lower/wider W110 grille.
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Post by GrampiansMerc » Tue 23 Sep, 2014 10:47 am

hmmmm looks interesting
1980 300TD "Anna" - 400,000kms and still cruising, converted to SVO
1979 300D - sold, gone to be restored
1980 300D - "Lightning" recently purchased and currently making repairs
2006 Musso - Korean Mercedes, 5 cylinder diesel - Blown head gasket, buggered motor, grrrrrrr (I will stick with German Mercs)
Looking for 300GD LWB five door!
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