Barnyard find dilema

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Barnyard find dilema

Post by mrkozzy » Fri 06 Nov, 2015 12:14 am

Look what I found and bought!!

sitting around for about 10 years undercover.

Original paint.

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I have no idea what to do with it.
Its in seriously good condition.
Couldn't find a spek of rust!!
w116 280se 1975 English Red
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Re: Barnyard find dilema

Post by ansteadeh » Fri 06 Nov, 2015 6:54 am

Very nice indeed!

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Post by AMG » Fri 06 Nov, 2015 7:14 am

China Blue 280se?

It's one of my all-time favourite colours.

Keep it, if you have room.
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Re: Barnyard find dilema

Post by KimB » Fri 06 Nov, 2015 11:09 am

W116 280se ?.....great cars! We had one for 10 years and it never missed a beat.
However this blue one is in such terrible condition it may have to go to the crusher! :laughing5:

Great find. Well done. :occasion5:
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Re: Barnyard find dilema

Post by pastelgrey300D » Fri 06 Nov, 2015 1:20 pm

Wow that's clean! And I absolutely love the parchment white interiors in the W116s. Great find! :occasion5:
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Post by Bartman4800 » Fri 06 Nov, 2015 2:43 pm

Nice car indeed, buttuh...

What's the dilemma? :dontknow:
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Post by T-Modell » Fri 06 Nov, 2015 5:02 pm

mrkozzy wrote: ...I have no idea what to do with it.
Drive it and have fun! Isn't that all we dream of? Congrats to this car ... may I ask how much you paid for it?
Thomas
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Post by brother benz68 » Fri 06 Nov, 2015 6:56 pm

Fantastic car, I'm green with envy!

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Post by mrkozzy » Sat 07 Nov, 2015 7:05 am

My dilema was whether to keep it or not.
I already drive a 116 which is in great (but not perfect condition).
Handed down by my father who bought it new, so theres a sentimental attachment.
As we all know.......once sentiment gets in the picture, :love4: all reasonable decision making dissappears.

The fact is this Blue barnyard find is in extremely good condition even compared to my one.
Most of my paint is original however its looking tired so I am planning on a complete respray next year maybe.
Any rust issues have already been fixed thankfully. I'm at the end of a 5 year rejuvenation project. Interior, exterior, mechanically..... Its pretty much all been done.

However, my decision is now made. As the interiors are the same color I'm exchanging between the 2 cars.......
The factory carpets complete which are near perfect condition, only in need of a clean.
I have already exchanged all the bright work. (Door chromes, back windscreen moulds, front pillar chrome, rain gutter strip)

It has nothing else I need. I installed a replacement dashboard in my car 2 years ago, so that can stay.
I'll clean it up and move it on, but no great rush. It can stay parked undercover in the meantime.

I paid (Australian) $4000. which to me was a extremely fair price considering the condition.
To me, It was worth the buy just to get decent carpet and chrome. It means I can finally complete the 116 I drive. Selling it even at a slight reduction, ensures me getting most of my money back, I think.
There are plenty of rubbish 116's selling for $500 to $2000, however these would only be good (maybe)as parts cars if you could find a half decent one.
I see better ones "asking" $4000 to $6500. I have no idea if anyone is buying at this price, however the price point seems "about right". I see others asking $7000 to $9000 and seriously they have little or no hope, in my opinion, unless they find a 'non mercedes' person who doesnt know the value.
(As a side, my low end w108 has more value than the 116 so, I try to keep it in perspective)

Interestingly, I find most of the 116 models for sale are 280 versions.
Does that mean that the 280 version outlasted the 450? Or is it that the 450 owners are more likely to hold to them?
I don't know.

So there you have it. My dilema is no longer! My dilema is gone.
Now I need to find someone who wants a seriously good 116 and sell it to them. :glasses2:
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Post by T-Modell » Sat 07 Nov, 2015 6:14 pm

Hi,
it's of course your decision what you do, but now you have 2 non-original cars. I'm pretty sure, that the blue one (left original) could be sold for much more in a couple of years. As I mentioned before, in the last meeting here I talked to the owner of a fantastic 280SE W116, completely original ... he paid 13.900 Euros and has a value estimate (because all inspections done, etc.) of around 17.000. Although the market is different, "original" you only have once.

Just my opinion
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Post by mrkozzy » Sat 07 Nov, 2015 7:36 pm

Thanks Thomas.
Opinions is what these forums are all about.
I respect yours and anyone elses also.
You make valid points, although the market here in Australia differs from any European one.
I am no longer convinced the 2nd hand value of the 116 here in Australia will hold. Certainly they are not increasing in value. A w107, well that's another story.
As for my cars, I've decided not to be concerned about any future value increase or decrease.
I just want them working in order to enjoy the driving.
My 116 and ,108, whilst both nice cars, are realistically never going to be worth much, ( genuine or not). They are simply the wrong model within each series.
And there's another opinion for the forum. :dontknow:
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Post by CraigB » Sat 07 Nov, 2015 9:59 pm

Yep i have fairly strong feelings/opinions on this, but they are opposing and i have internal conflict on my own thoughts! These conflicts apply to my own vehicles. I agree our markets are quite different and for RHD australian cars it is really only the UK market, maybe S Africa that has any relevance. I am fairly involved with prewar cars and i can't help wondering if the patterns we see for those is not a crystal ball for the later cars. I can't help thinking about price difference of vintage Vauxhalls - early 20's 30/98, a model that has sporting history and very capable car seems to be over 150k pounds while a similar age d type tourer 40k and someone in my vintage club has advertised a 20,s sedan for some time for $17k australian and not sold, nice original good running but not restored car. Is that the same as a 6.3 W109 compared to a 6cyl W108 in proportion perhaps and one day a 6.9 vs the W116 280? But that's not to say that i think there is always a market for a good original car with history and perhaps such a car in your slow vauxhalls would bring much more.

I can't work out from the reflection of the speedo shot, is it 235k km or 23k and possibly 123k? If it is worth something or likely to be in the not too distant future then you should have been overun with offers by now. Personally i think the 108 and finnies have some similarity in style, very different to more recent cars and values have picked up here and above the W116. I think the W116 has reasonable similarity to the 126 and i think will struggle in the future being not as good a car all around to the 126 and not different enough. I do like the 116 and loved mine and it is clearly different to me as an enthusiast with its own charm but perhaps not to the wider market. If i had space and the right 450 or 6.9 came up i would certainly like to have one.

If you were just parting the car out for the hell of it, then i would have a bit of a cringe, and certainly i do when i see modders buy really nice original cars and then modify them into their 'work of art' - but financially, if you want that work of art, it is going to be a lot cheaper to buy the really good car than to pay someone to get a really rusty car to that level. If that car is on the market and others don't buy then should we judge how they achieve their aim? In this case who could judge you for trying to restore your family car. I'm sure if someone could get you a perfect interior and trim to go on your car then i am sure you would be happy to part with the china blue car complete, but good interior etc is not easy to find.

And of course only recently i bought that 380SEC purely for the good interior and purchased for less than just new seat kits - but it was for sale for a very long time and nobody wanted it so i don't feel too bad about it. But just like you, maybe one day it might be worth a lot more but right now my objective is to get the widebody done and this is the most cost effective path and i see it quite similar to your situation.

So as much as i thought at first 'great find and hope it goes to a good home/custodian' - given your explanation i now totally get what you are doing. But like you say, just another opinion and all my comments are made in context that i don't think i know everything and i don't like to judge others anymore than i like others judging me! But we are all human!
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Re: Barnyard find dilema

Post by mrkozzy » Sun 08 Nov, 2015 1:07 am

Its 235258 kilometers

Sorry if anyone mistook it for less.

And while I've had 3 enquiries for some parts only,...... No I will not be parting it.

To dismantle it would be wrong.

What I've taken (Carpet & some chrome trim) is only cosmetic.
Saves me having my brightwork rechromed and having carpets made.

Its not as if the brightwork and carpets are missing. They have been exchanged for items of lesser appearance.


I'm talking with 1 or 2 people now, who I know are looking for another car. They are looking for something they can spend very little $ on and enjoy the driveability.

The 1st thing I mention tho, is the 116 thirst for fuel. No point hiding it.

This car will eventually go to someone who really "wants and desires" a 116, not someone treating it as a "fad"
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Re: Barnyard find dilema

Post by mrkozzy » Fri 08 Jan, 2016 12:51 am

Cars gone to a good home.
I know him personally.
Got my money back, as well as the carpets and brightwork.
Figure I'm ahead, and he's ecstatic!
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