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beginnings of a new project

Post by Mercmad » Sun 21 Oct, 2012 5:07 pm

For a lot of years i have thought of building something with a huge mercedes engine and an older chassis. My neighbor ,Wolf Grod came into the pic this week when he turned up with a 170V for parts. A very complete car ,it was basically rooted. So once they pulled everything he needs for a 1938 roadster restoration hes doing he gave me the rest.
170 V doors 011.jpg
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All the wood dissapeared long ago and someone had keep the body together with pop rivets and bits of oil drums.
170 V doors 012.jpg
The boot floor was a door skin from some 1920's car,complete with door handle...

the interior was ratty but no asbestos...
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Post by eri67 » Sun 21 Oct, 2012 5:28 pm

170 hotrod?
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Post by Mercmad » Sun 21 Oct, 2012 5:29 pm

I need room here so i got rid of all the body .
I will keep this groovy looking demister thing ....
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You can see the ancestral DNA in the design of a 170 when you compare it with later mercedes up to 1992. the layout is basically the same ,even this fuse set up .
170 V doors 027.jpg
Removing the body took about 5 minutes.
Cons 220SE Cab 009.jpg
The chassis is a pretty sweet design , compare this with a 1935 GM or Ford product. Because this is when the 170 was first designed.
Cons 220SE Cab 010.jpg
Central V section is waisted and incredibly strong. i am going to use the prop shaft to make a pair of exhausts.
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Post by Mercmad » Sun 21 Oct, 2012 5:34 pm

Hot Rod, no ,but something along these lines has been brewing for years...
BIG engine of an older style
M189
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and a bit of 1920's style in the very basic body.
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And create something along these lines..
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With a bit of this but maybe not so scruffy.. :laughing6:
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I have always liked the old pommy specials ,a 1933 Wolseley Hornet.
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Post by eri67 » Sun 21 Oct, 2012 5:57 pm

Sounds great, I'll be watching this one keenly!
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Post by KimB » Mon 22 Oct, 2012 9:56 am

eri67 wrote:Sounds great, I'll be watching this one keenly!
Hey Merky,
I love the idea. Concept looks great. Go for it!
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Post by Mercmad » Tue 23 Oct, 2012 8:59 pm

A factory drawing of the chassis . lots of details in these drawings and I would assume it was for body builders and coach builders so vans,utes, and better quality bodies could be made . The German army made great use of the W170 chassis in WW
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Post by Mercmad » Sat 03 Nov, 2012 9:04 pm

A bit of time spent mocking the chassis and engine together to see what needs to be done.
I tried a spare sump and bell housing in the chassis in much the same place as the old four banger.. a bit too far forward i think.
190SL nose repairs 030.jpg
next i tried a m189 and auto trans on the chassis but about 500 mm further back.
It's a bit high so i can see i am going to have to modify the center of the chassis to lower the engine down about 200 mm .
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Post by Mercmad » Tue 06 Nov, 2012 6:52 pm

This is something along the lines I am looking to accomplish...
http://www.wheels24.co.za/News/Spitfire ... m-20121106

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beginnings of a new project

Post by ansteadeh » Tue 06 Nov, 2012 7:40 pm

Give me 3 yrs and I'll be finished my own projects and come and help you - and be working fewer hrs by then hopefully too

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Post by dreadnought » Sat 20 Apr, 2019 11:38 am

Any update on this project Pics???

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Post by CraigB » Sat 20 Apr, 2019 12:13 pm

I missed this first time around. I know of someone who has got the basics of putting a Buick straight 8 in an Amilcar - Amilcar themselves produced a straight 8 in the 30's but very rare now - but similar plans for light ally bodywork like in some of those pics. I don't know how many of those early cars had the 'backbone' style chassis and something Lotus made a big fuss about in the 60's...some years after the 170. The common 'gutter' chassis rails on all those cars shown make it easy to perch a body on so interesting how to achieve that on the 170 chassis - lots of scope though.
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Post by CraigB » Sat 20 Apr, 2019 12:27 pm

I went looking for google images with something with a narrowed waistline - sure Ive seen something but can't find what I am looking for - crazy swoopy 'style over function' stuff in the 1930's

https://images.app.goo.gl/Zp6dHaNhdQ4MVU4C7

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1937-Delage-D8 ... 2409043030
https://fastestlaps.com/models/delage-d ... aero-coupe
http://www.grandprixhistory.org/delage15.htm
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Post by Mercmad » Sat 11 May, 2019 6:46 pm

I decided the 170 Chassis design was never going to accommodate the m189 engine (which is now in Equador ,but I have few others...) .I sold the chassis to some bloke,who I can only vaguely remember as he came with his own tilt tray truck to take it away.
I thought about using a Austin Sheerline Chassis,which is what a Bentley special builder in the UK uses but anything Austin Sheerline related in OZ must be gold plated with diamonds for bearings. The prices asked for parts off them is patently stupid.
In the meantime I have put the 220SE body onto a W126 chassis and when i get my chassis rack free I will make a start in earnest,before I get too much older.
As usual i am desperate for space so there are few spare engines etc going cheap (OM 612 diesel engine, some M189's.) . :happy2:

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Post by TheMadRacoon » Sat 11 May, 2019 11:55 pm

Mercmad wrote:
Sat 11 May, 2019 6:46 pm

In the meantime I have put the 220SE body onto a W126 chassis :happy2:
Sounds delicious!
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Post by AMG » Sun 12 May, 2019 12:05 am

I reckon the old 170 would be a prime candidate for a re-power.

an M100 would have looked nice with the big polished inlet manifold, but way too heavy....

Late m117 would need some tidying up to 'look nice' from a hotrod perspective...

But I just got to thinking about those old bangers.... iirc, Martin Kass has the woodgas adapter for a 170.
So perhaps an OM606 is a sensible upgrade.

Need to find another 170 though. Just think... 10 years ago you couldn't give one away. Rustbuckets everywhere.

Now those rotten shells are going to rot further, since people are asking absurd sums for rusty crud that even a scrappie wouldn't look twice at.
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Re: beginnings of a new project

Post by Mercmad » Tue 13 Aug, 2019 8:05 pm

A few years ago i was talking with the owner of another mercedes shop who wanted to retire .He was selling off some odd stuff in his shop ,such as a fully restored 170S, which was actually still in pieces but could be driven . I asked a mate if he wanted it as the price was crazy...$5000. he snapped it up and it's even painted etc etc. The Seller had been tinkering with it for over 20 years.
A S is the better of all the 170's with a more modrn front end. If i had one to modify i would be drop in a Ford Duratec for simple horsepower and swap in a better rear end. That early style swing arm set up is not really designed for high speed cornering.

Plus i am looking for a RHD steering box to suit a prewar 170. They are rocking horse droppings but it could be a nice earner if anyone knows where to find one.v :rockon:

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