Al's Barn-Find - 1954 170 S-D

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Re: Al's Barn-Find - 1954 170 S-D

Postby Tazzieman » Tue 13 Dec, 2016 2:48 pm

The beast needs a name Al! With those wheels "Bundy"!
You may end up on a barn tour of Tassy this holidays. I'm sure there are bits and pieces lurking somewhere. I'll keep asking.
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Re: Al's Barn-Find - 1954 170 S-D

Postby bigal » Tue 13 Dec, 2016 3:48 pm

Cheers!

Any help from anyone to find the obvious bits missing would be super! Especially in Tassie. I have my big volvo XC90 and a trailer so can drive round and collect things.

Looks like I have a few leads in Tassie on engines however the one thing I would really like are 3 more period correct 16" steel rims.

My holiday merc plan so far:
Wheels on
Trailer it home
Seal up the missing windows with plastic and tape
Big wash
Big vaccuum
Lots of photos
Unbolt the body and start cleaning up the chassis
Nuke the rust on the body (penetrating and/or bad rust will be repaired professionally)
Neatly organise parts and label everything

If I can manage all this I will be happy. I have other cars to play with and drive.. oh and a young kid to help look after. :-)
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Re: Al's Barn-Find - 1954 170 S-D

Postby 70499 » Thu 15 Dec, 2016 9:58 pm

bigal wrote:I would really like are 3 more period correct 16" steel rims.



The original 16"s Ive noticed on ebay.de have been going for $80-$100 a corner.
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Re: Al's Barn-Find - 1954 170 S-D

Postby bigal » Sat 17 Dec, 2016 8:17 am

Thanks Brad. I think I will be going the international route like you suggested.

So today is the day the merc gets temp wheels. Unfortunatly the guy only found 3 bundt wheels but does have 2 steelies also. I don't think I need to be fussy with temporary wheels so will push on and get what I can. Time to get this thing mobile!
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Re: Al's Barn-Find - 1954 170 S-D

Postby bigal » Sat 17 Dec, 2016 1:23 pm

Picked up the temp wheels and..... they don't fit :banghead:

Collected 3 alloys and 1 steelie as that's all we could dig up. Neither fitted the front as the streering knuckle/joint thingy hit the inside of the wheel lip.

The alloy didn't fit the back as the bolts are too fat and no doubt would be the same issue on the front if it cleared that joint. The single steelie did fit the rear but no good to me having 1 wheel.

Wheels returned so no loss.

Decided to just push on getting the proper wheels now.. This may mean it doesn't come home over the holidays. Oh this makes me sad now.

John Green, are you there??

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Re: Al's Barn-Find - 1954 170 S-D

Postby bigal » Sat 17 Dec, 2016 2:01 pm

Time to call on the power of the OZBENZ community to locate some wheels.

Please post links to any further ebay finds.

I will try and contact John Green again and see if he's had any luck finding any. If any one sees him please ask for me also.

I've also just emailed the guy at www.classicmercedesbenz.co.uk
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Re: Al's Barn-Find - 1954 170 S-D

Postby CraigB » Sat 17 Dec, 2016 4:14 pm

Going back to earlier posts, I fitted w124 15" - although not on the front but I imagine suspension for 15" petrol and 16" diesel would be the same. You are trying to fit 14" on but sounds like they will still work on the rear, which is where i put that 15" wheel. I don't know if all W124 are 15" for steel wheels. Gen 2 W126 are 15" but most i have seen have alloys and then you have the bolt/stud length issue to hold it on.

So if you can find the right wheels that is great and better still if they have tyres on them to be able to move. Bear in mind if you are going to take some time to complete the resto and need to put new tyres on the correct rims (which could be quite expensive) - am i right in saying a tyre can only be 10 yrs old now (Just i had a tyre place refuse to fix a puncture in one of my trailer wheels because it was more than 10 yrs old) and also tyres don't last forever and those expensive tyres could start cracking etc (like my Amilcar ones did) before you get to use them.

So just some food for thought, but maybe if you put a post in the W124 forum you might be able to find even just a pair of 15" steelies(and then get another 14" steelie to go on rear). I know you are in Tassie and sounds like not as many wrecking yards, but often a car with alloys can have a steelie spare and you might just find a couple of spare wheels in the back of a W124. It gets you rolling quickly and then while you are doing all the other work you don't have to worry about paint overspray etc etc of the wheels you will chuck that are sitting on there. But you know your situation and whats best for you - just offering the thoughts in case that helps.

Apologies also when i said i think any wheel would fit stud pattern wise and not thinking how the alloys had the long bolts for them. Will keep that in mind when i open my mouth next time!
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Re: Al's Barn-Find - 1954 170 S-D

Postby 70499 » Sat 17 Dec, 2016 6:37 pm

bigal wrote:
Please post links to any further ebay finds


The key search words for ebay.de is Scheibenrad . Then add the extra W136 170s etc etc.

Did you try and reverse the rim, for the "deep dish look" as the +ET wouldnt hit any of the driveline components.

The last ghetto resort would be to make up some rims in marine ply. Then you could roll it out of storage and get it home in time for santa :think:
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Re: Al's Barn-Find - 1954 170 S-D

Postby bigal » Wed 21 Dec, 2016 8:35 pm

No worries Craig. I appreciate the advice!

Why didn't I think of reversing that steelie! Doh.

About to try ebay again and I'm making other enquiries at moment. We'll get there!

I did think of mercedes space saver wheels too. Can get 16" narrow ones from those merc suv's.
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Re: Al's Barn-Find - 1954 170 S-D

Postby bigal » Wed 21 Dec, 2016 8:37 pm

I like that plywood solution!
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Re: Al's Barn-Find - 1954 170 S-D

Postby bigal » Fri 30 Dec, 2016 12:02 pm

Hey Guys, I think I'm onto something. Been tinkering with the 911 the past week and noticed something interesting.. I have a narrow space saver spare wheel in the front.

Theoretically it should fit..

5x112 bolt pattern (Should fit)
70 or 71mm centre hole (Requirement is 67mm)
Steel wheel (No probs with getting the nuts onto the bolts)
Narrow (Should clear the steering joints)
15" (Should clear the old drums)

Here it is. These are made by Lemmerz and can find them online fairly easy. They came with 912's, 911's and some VW's.

Thoughts? I better go down to storage and give it a try.

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Re: Al's Barn-Find - 1954 170 S-D

Postby Honey500 » Fri 30 Dec, 2016 2:29 pm

If the stud pattern is the same it would should only be the other clearance issue that might come into play. The larger center hole would not be an issue if it is just a temp solution to get it rolling.
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Re: Al's Barn-Find - 1954 170 S-D

Postby Mercmad » Fri 30 Dec, 2016 8:58 pm

Thats a pretty good find, Just the type i'd like to discover. (Aegean got the last good one i have seen ) and being a S it has a full steel body with no wood framework to contend with.
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Re: Al's Barn-Find - 1954 170 S-D

Postby Tazzieman » Fri 30 Dec, 2016 9:35 pm

Those 911 spares are pretty damned heavy! Would not want to pay airmail postage!
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Re: Al's Barn-Find - 1954 170 S-D

Postby Tazzieman » Fri 10 Mar, 2017 9:27 pm

It's been very quiet Al! Wazzup?
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Re: Al's Barn-Find - 1954 170 S-D

Postby bigal » Thu 30 Mar, 2017 9:17 pm

Sure has been quiet.

Lots been going on in my world. Decided to focus on one car at a time as have to juggle funds and dad duties carefully.

Porsche is in a happy place and running well. Fuel hose and pump issues sorted.

XC90 needed pcv kit done and front brakes sorted. Critical as is a daily.

$1000 worth of parts on their way from Germany for the old volvo 145 so I can get a pits pass and drive it. Been waiting 1.5 years to make it legal. Getting very excited about this parcel of parts arriving any day now.

Merc next in line to receive funding.

In other news.. My car storage sharing mate bought the red volvo 164 opposite the epping forest shop yesterday. We will be drooling over it and the merc at storage this weekend.
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Re: Al's Barn-Find - 1954 170 S-D

Postby Tazzieman » Fri 31 Mar, 2017 8:04 am

Great progress on all fronts! A multipronged effort is often required with these old toys.
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Re: Al's Barn-Find - 1954 170 S-D

Postby John Green » Fri 31 Mar, 2017 9:54 pm

bigal wrote:Picked up the temp wheels and..... they don't fit :banghead:

John Green, are you there??

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Yep, i still only have one wheel. Sure my Dad has some more of them on the farm. Will see if I can remember to ask him about them.
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