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107 SL and SLC Subframe Recall

Post by Fotografa » Mon 25 Feb, 2008 12:34 pm

Hi All,

I have been following with interest a thread on the Benzworld 107 forum regarding the subframe recalls for early 107's.

see here: http://northernresource.com/mercedes/10 ... recall.htm

and here: http://www.benzworld.org/forums/r-c107- ... tened.html

Does anyone know if Australian MB dealers are still honouring this recall?

I'm guessing yes, as it is a global issue, but would love to hear from someone that has had the work done by their dealer under the recall.

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Re: 107 SL and SLC Subframe Recall

Post by Greg in Oz » Mon 25 Feb, 2008 9:32 pm

You may have already read my reply in your thread at http://www.mbcnsw.org.au/forum/index.ph ... 884.0.html but for those who don't visit that forum, I had the additional gussets welded onto the subframe of my 350SLC back in 1986 at no cost to me (as part of the recall) and my 500SLC has had a replacement subframe fitted prior to my purchase. Hopefully someone has had the work done locally more recently than 21 years ago and can answer whether or not the recall still applies. For more discussion and photos see also http://mbca.cartama.net/showthread.php?t=17285

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Re: 107 SL and SLC Subframe Recall

Post by Fotografa » Mon 25 Feb, 2008 9:41 pm

Greg,

You are nothing if not thorough in your replies!!

I now have 2 107's to check this on.

I guess I need to either get dirty, or get them up on a hoist.

I have heard that if the subframe is already cracked they replace, and if not they will weld in the gussets.

Thanks for the info Greg, and I'd also love to know if anyone has had more recent experience with this!

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Re: 107 SL and SLC Subframe Recall

Post by flugelpom » Tue 26 Feb, 2008 10:52 am

What great info from these forums ! I had no idea about sub frame recalls on 107's. My local MB trained mechanic will have my 450SL on the hoist tomorrow and hopefully, I'll know if there is a problem or not.
Will keep you informed.
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Re: 107 SL and SLC Subframe Recall

Post by John Green » Tue 26 Feb, 2008 6:06 pm

From what I know the Australian dealer do not want to know about it. The details in the URL's that started the post were for the USA where the factory rcall rules are a lot stronger than here in little old Australia. We stock the gussets that you can weld in at a reasonable price (dont know what it is as I am at home), and we do quite afew of these still in out own workshop. We even strip all the subframes out of cars we dismantle, modify them and have them on the shelve read to sell with the gussets in them.


Have also seen quite a few that have been done else where and the quality of the welding is terrible, to the point that there is no real increase in strength. Have also seen the end result of them breaking, not good. I have even seen the W114's do it mainly witht he 280E engine and MB have never issued a recall on that model. These can only have the gusstes on the l/h side due to the exhaust system being on the r/h side.

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Re: 107 SL and SLC Subframe Recall

Post by Chai » Tue 26 Feb, 2008 10:03 pm

The subframe on my 450SLC cracked where the lower A-suspension arms connect to the subframe in October 1996. Felt the car wandering around the road and located the cracks when I jacked the car up for a look.
Luckily I was subscribed to the US MB mailing list (these pre-date web-based forums) and learnt about the recall then.

I initially contacted the Warranty Manager of Mercedes-Benz Australia who subsequently authorised the supply of the subframe under warranty - my car was 22 years old then. I did send him copies of invoices associated with work performed by an authorised MB service agent related to suspension mount, steering and auto mount works. MB Australia would not match the USA recall "policy" as they would not cover the labour associated with the replacement.

Mercedes-Benz of Melbourne (then Lanes Motors) performed the work to replace the subframe.
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Re: 107 SL and SLC Subframe Recall

Post by AMG » Tue 26 Feb, 2008 10:53 pm

Significant post for the model.
Although many of us are aware of the issue, I would hazard a guess -not many of us have actually fixed the issue proactively.
Stickied permanently.

Below are US Service campaign bulletin details:

Service Campaign 851211 (1985120001) " Lower Control Arm
Inspection of Front Axle Carrier Welding Additional
Reinforcement Brackets to the Lower Rear Control Arm" for
Model 107.023/.043/.024/.044.
If the reinforcement brackets for this repair, part number A107 330 0068, are not available,
the repair option is to replace the subframe
and close the recall campaign. Please check with your PDC for part
availability of the reinforcement brackets prior to replacing the
subframe. Existing subframe bushings, motor mounts, etc. that are
worn out are not included as part of the campaign. If the customer
wants these worn parts replaced it is customer pay or the dealer is
instructed to remount these old parts onto the subframe if the
subframe is replaced.
This document supersedes document MBNA 33/1 in the legacy data
microfiche file.

I personally suggest for safety reasons, that all owners investigate their subframe for cracks and have the gussets installed, if only for your own piece of mind.
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Re: 107 SL and SLC Subframe Recall

Post by Greg in Oz » Tue 26 Feb, 2008 11:04 pm

I'm amazed that so many cars were not rectified when the problem was first discovered in the mid 1980s. I can't remember whether back in 1986 MB Australia contacted me or whether I heard about the recall via another source (eg. the MB Club of NSW which I joined in 1985). I suspect it was the latter as my 350SLC was a "tourist delivery" car (ie. a "625" Aus version but delivered to the original owner in Germany). What I do remember is that there was no question as to who would cover the cost of the rectification. All I had to do was take the car to them in the morning and collect it after lunch. I definitely did not have to pay for anything. It was however only a 13 year old car at that time, albeit a well travelled one.

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Re: 107 SL and SLC Subframe Recall

Post by flugelpom » Wed 27 Feb, 2008 4:53 pm

Had the 450 on the hoist yesterday. Mechanic called in sick, but a neighbour has his own hoist in his shed (He's a Mustang fanatic - but he's OK !) No signs of cracking or welded support pieces/gussets etc. So all seems in order ?- BUT how can I tell if the front subframe is original and therefore should be strengthed/replaced ? Or maybe it WAS replaced under the re call some 20 years ago. Would a sub frame fitted under the re call differ visually from the original ? If so, anyone know how ?
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Re: 107 SL and SLC Subframe Recall

Post by John Green » Wed 27 Feb, 2008 5:25 pm

Greg, if yours has the full on replacement unit, can you take some pictures and post them? I dodn't have any at work at the moment, and i also dont even have a ready to go modified one to post pictures of, checked yesterday and it had been sold. Have a W114 280E that we are wrecking in a few weeks so will grab the subframe from that.
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Re: 107 SL and SLC Subframe Recall

Post by Chai » Wed 27 Feb, 2008 10:59 pm

Here are photos of the subframe that was replaced under warranty.
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Re: 107 SL and SLC Subframe Recall

Post by Greg in Oz » Wed 27 Feb, 2008 11:28 pm

John Green wrote:Greg, if yours has the full on replacement unit, can you take some pictures and post them? I dodn't have any at work at the moment, and i also dont even have a ready to go modified one to post pictures of, checked yesterday and it had been sold. Have a W114 280E that we are wrecking in a few weeks so will grab the subframe from that.
John,

Chai has beaten me to it with photos of his new subframe. I posted a link above to the thread with photos on the MBCA 5.0 SLC forum however I now remember you need to be registered and logged in to view the photos. Here they are again.

Greg

These are of the original subframe on my 350SLC with the extra gussets welded in:
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Re: 107 SL and SLC Subframe Recall

Post by Greg in Oz » Wed 27 Feb, 2008 11:33 pm

And these are of the updated replacement subframe on my 500SLC:
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Re: 107 SL and SLC Subframe Recall

Post by Chai » Thu 28 Feb, 2008 6:11 pm

Here's another pic of the subframe crack on the left hand mount. I only took two photos in 1996 and cannot determine if gussets were installed prior to my purchasing it.

As I understand it, the V8s were the only ones affected by the recall due to the weight of the engine. That is, it was not relevant for the smaller and lighter engines.
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Re: 107 SL and SLC Subframe Recall

Post by Fotografa » Fri 29 Feb, 2008 8:16 am

For those that wonder what happens when the subframe fails.....
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Re: 107 SL and SLC Subframe Recall

Post by AV » Mon 21 Apr, 2008 12:12 am

I raised this issue with my high profile, prominent Adelaide MB Dealer. He was very polite and listened, offering to "followed it up", and got back to me a few days later saying that MB no longer deal with this as a warranty or manufacturer issue. I got the feeling he knew more than he was letting on, but was trying to see how much I knew.

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Re: 107 SL and SLC Subframe Recall

Post by AMG » Mon 21 Apr, 2008 12:36 am

I think you'd be better off putting your concerns into a well versed letter to MB head office in Oz asking why your local dealer refused to honour a known product recall for a serious and potentially life-threatening safety issue.

See how far you get. "Deaf ears" is the response I assume you'd get, but it wouldn't hurt to circulate copies at the same time to the motor trades association, and the national transport safety unit. and your local federal MP too.

it never hurts to really get under the skin of people who shirk their responsibilities and refuse to do the right thing (morally) or avoid it because it might mean they have to actually do some real work.
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Re: 107 SL and SLC Subframe Recall

Post by NZ350SLC » Sun 06 Jul, 2008 10:14 am

Looks like my '72 350SLC has not had any sort of remedial work.
Anyone here know of supply / install options here in NZ?
If the frame is not cracked I guess the gussets get welded in. Any idea of availibility / price for subframe?
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Post by AMG » Sun 06 Jul, 2008 10:28 am

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Re: 107 SL and SLC Subframe Recall

Post by John Green » Sun 06 Jul, 2008 8:21 pm

Yep, have them at work, not that expensive, when compared to what can happen... I might not be in tomorrow, still trying to shake off a cold. Just ask for the W107 subframe repair kits, the number is 107 33? ?? ??
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Re: 107 SL and SLC Subframe Recall

Post by supercharger » Tue 23 Sep, 2008 10:18 am

oooh man thats really sad to see the car like that to bad :( faeces i hate when it comes up like this i hope you can fix it up and good luck to you .

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Re: 107 SL and SLC Subframe Recall

Post by dingo_oz » Sun 06 Jan, 2013 10:28 am

Thanks for this tip guys. as i was searching across this brown wide land for my love, about half the cars i inspected did not have it done (which i pointed out to those who hadn't). when i finaly settled on Astrid, barrie green in adelaide sorted it out and was able to get the part easily. luckily there was no fatigue showing, but thanks to your advice i drive with peace of mind.
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Re: 107 SL and SLC Subframe Recall

Post by Beamer » Thu 04 Jul, 2013 6:52 pm

Has anyone had any more recent experience of getting some assistance from M-B Australia for this problem?

I have just found out that my subframe is cracked and I am looking at a hefty repair bill. My car has not had the gussets fitted previously (but will have them fitted now!). The response so far from M-B (through one of the local authorised service centres) has been that they are no longer providing any assistance for this issue.
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Re: 107 SL and SLC Subframe Recall

Post by John Green » Thu 04 Jul, 2013 10:11 pm

Beamer wrote:Has anyone had any more recent experience of getting some assistance from M-B Australia for this problem?

I have just found out that my subframe is cracked and I am looking at a hefty repair bill. My car has not had the gussets fitted previously (but will have them fitted now!). The response so far from M-B (through one of the local authorised service centres) has been that they are no longer providing any assistance for this issue.
Is this the enquiry we had at work today?? I doubt you will get anywhere with MB, they stopped doing anything about it in the mid 90's, mind you if you put a deposit down on a SL63 they might entertain the idea....

We do have a subframe at work that is not cracked and can be reinforced to factory standards, ring Murray on 1300 787 300, it that wasn't you who rang this morning. There are a few version of the subframe with the differences being in how the engine mounts are mounted and accessed.
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Re: 107 SL and SLC Subframe Recall

Post by Beamer » Thu 04 Jul, 2013 10:21 pm

Thanks John. I sent an email query this morning about the repair kit (or a replacement subframe). At this stage, I am looking at repairing (welding) the existing subframe and adding the factory fix.

And I was just about to put down a deposit on a SL63, but after the response on the subframe, I'm having second thoughts... :happy3:
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Re: 107 SL and SLC Subframe Recall

Post by John Green » Thu 04 Jul, 2013 10:24 pm

If the crack is small, yes you can just weld in the gussets and away you go, but if it has opened up at all you will never get the wheel alignment right.
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Re: 107 SL and SLC Subframe Recall

Post by Beamer » Mon 08 Jul, 2013 7:44 pm

Forgive my ignorance, but I couldn't match this up precisely with the pictures below. Am I right in thinking that this subframe had not had the gussets added, or am I missing them?
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Re: 107 SL and SLC Subframe Recall

Post by John Green » Mon 08 Jul, 2013 8:11 pm

It is the rear mount for the lower control arm that cracks not the front. Post up a picture looking form the front. If unsure have a look at this link:

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