Can anghone help with measurements on subframe and frame

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Can anghone help with measurements on subframe and frame

Post by berntd » Wed 07 Jun, 2017 1:45 pm

Hello

Does anyone perhaps have access to a front subframe and/ or a car without subframe?

I really need to confirm some dimensions on the subframe mounting points.

Anyone?

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Bernt
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Re: Can anghone help with measurements on subframe and frame

Post by AMG » Wed 07 Jun, 2017 3:19 pm

iirc it's somewhere in the factory service manual.
Can't remember exactly where though.

I'll have a look later.
Current:
1987 560SL 4sp. auto Signalrot "Stella"
1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
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Re: Can anghone help with measurements on subframe and frame

Post by berntd » Wed 07 Jun, 2017 6:25 pm

Ok, have a look please.
But I defintely need real meusurements off a car or frame please.
I am trying to verify the factory drawing I have which at the moment appears wrong by 15mm !!

We shall see...

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Bernt

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Re: Can anghone help with measurements on subframe and frame

Post by AMG » Wed 07 Jun, 2017 8:43 pm

Current:
1987 560SL 4sp. auto Signalrot "Stella"
1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
1989 2.5-16 Blauschwarz 4sp. auto (parted) formerly owned by Derek/Hasan.

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Re: Can anghone help with measurements on subframe and frame

Post by berntd » Wed 07 Jun, 2017 9:15 pm

Frooooont!!!

Sorry I had no idea there is a rear one too.

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Re: Can anghone help with measurements on subframe and frame

Post by AMG » Wed 07 Jun, 2017 9:35 pm

The data for the front subframe is in that thread as well..... if you read the last post. ;)
Current:
1987 560SL 4sp. auto Signalrot "Stella"
1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
1989 2.5-16 Blauschwarz 4sp. auto (parted) formerly owned by Derek/Hasan.

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Re: Can anghone help with measurements on subframe and frame

Post by berntd » Wed 07 Jun, 2017 9:53 pm

Aha. Thanks.
Interesting on first page
Dimensions 64c,d is 684mm.
It is the same on the drawing I have.


On my subframe it is 670mm!
And on my chassis/frame it is 668mm.

I have checked diagonally and it is not much off.

The rear dimensions 64a,b are 761. Same as given.

14mm is heaps and it can't just hide without some trace.

So are these drawings correct or not?

If they are correct, then I am missing 12-14mm. Where have they gone?

Who can do some measurements?

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Re: Can anghone help with measurements on subframe and frame

Post by Djenka018 » Thu 08 Jun, 2017 11:52 am

I actually have a copy of the chassis allignemnt manual for 107.

it needs a scan but that will take 2 weeks (work load atm). Will try to get you a photo from a mobile phone....
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Re: Can anghone help with measurements on subframe and frame

Post by berntd » Thu 08 Jun, 2017 6:02 pm

Thanks. A good picture or 2 will do.
I can PM my email.

I would still like a on car verification if possible.
Pity one can't attach pictures on this forum.


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Re: Can anghone help with measurements on subframe and frame

Post by T-Modell » Thu 08 Jun, 2017 6:04 pm

berntd wrote:...
Pity one can't attach pictures on this forum.
Cheers
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Maybe "one" can't attach photos, but "some" can :laughing6: ... scroll down, register "Upload attachment" ...
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Re: Can anghone help with measurements on subframe and frame

Post by berntd » Thu 08 Jun, 2017 6:17 pm

Hahaa, a whole tab next to options.
I am on dozens of these forums but have never seen that. It is usually a paperclip above the text box. Or a drag n drop box.

But thanks Thomas!

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Re: Can anghone help with measurements on subframe and frame

Post by berntd » Mon 12 Jun, 2017 8:47 am

AMG wrote:The data for the front subframe is in that thread as well..... if you read the last post. ;)
Hi AMG

Is that R107 subframe the same as W115?

The dimensions in that document do not match my frame. I need to decide what to do next.

Can I use a W115 donor?

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Bernt

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Re: Can anghone help with measurements on subframe and frame

Post by Djenka018 » Sat 15 Jul, 2017 10:26 pm

Floor frame reference drawing.

Image

I got this in 12Mpix (3MB), OzBenz allows only 2Mpix (0.7MB)....

Can moderators do something about this or make exceptional exception?

I also got AutoClimate MK1 service manual (well... more like technical manual)
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Re: Can anghone help with measurements on subframe and frame

Post by berntd » Sun 16 Jul, 2017 8:37 am

That is great.

Notice how there are no dimensions given at the all important front!

Would you be able to take some specific pictures for me of your car at all?

My only other contact has gone quiet :-(

Best regards
Bernt

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Re: Can anghone help with measurements on subframe and frame

Post by Djenka018 » Sun 16 Jul, 2017 10:27 am

What pics you're after?
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Re: Can anghone help with measurements on subframe and frame

Post by berntd » Mon 17 Jul, 2017 9:29 pm

Djenka018 wrote:What pics you're after?
Well, at this moment, I need to see/know:
1) What re-inforcement struts are in/at the radiator cowl and where do they attach. There are heaps of holes but I have no struts.

2) Some picture or description showing how the front of the valance / inner guard meets the sides of the nose/cowl. This will need a look from inside the engine bay forward into the space right at the front of the chassis rails where the valence, nose cowl, front traverse strut and chassis rsils meet.
Mine is a mess and not right.

3) A good picture or 2 showing the sheet metal around the shock mounts from inside the engine bay, If that is possible with all that stuff everywhere.

Best regards
Bernt

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