450SLC issues

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450SLC issues

Post by Flaxton Fella » Sun 15 Jan, 2017 11:10 am

Hi All....

Unable to fight it so I am joining the ranks!....Kids finally all gone...Shed is emptyish....Night time hours aplenty and a very understanding/ fantastic wife...

I have been quietly/ secretly looking at the SLC's for some time and am unable to contain my urge to 'fill the shed' with a project. If the shed isn't big enough then I will make it bigger!

Now being registered (no more hiding) the next steps are very exciting and interesting. Lots of reading...thinking...head scratching...rubbing sore head...dreaming going on, you know what it is like!!...Just remembering kids are gone and need a 'new baby'.

1/ 107 450SLC....my preferred project

2/ The 3 main areas in my criteria are mechanical....body work....interior... the project needs 2 of these areas to be in OK/ Good Condition...the 3rd area can have some/ most of the work/ time. Apart from structural rust all projects will be considered.

3/ Looking around recently there are some interesting projects (and owners). Under 6-7k seems to be more for parts, 8-15k seems to be the market for my project however no stone will go unnoticed..

4/ Identity of the Project....I want the cars' identity qualified....Am a little stuck as to where to find the info of 70's models! I have Chassis # 6F91IMPORTSH9Z9001 and Engine # 11798322013669 on a '74 under consideration however not able to track down much more... Is this a paid for service from ?? Where is this information readily available?

5/ Interstate projects...Always willing to travel however fairly time poor at the moment and could squeeze in a 750km round trip in a day...any good spotters?

6/ If anyone knows of a project that they just are unable to squeeze into the shed I would be happy to hear about


All in all am very excited about contributing here and with new life in an ageless 107

This is getting me started again....more medicine needed

Regards


Mal

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Re: 450SLC issues

Post by CraigB » Sun 15 Jan, 2017 5:40 pm

Welcome and great to hear from another SLC fan. You may have picked up from reading that it is not everyones favourite Benz, but great if you are buying. I don't get that some people don't love them but i predict they could be a great 'sleeper' value wise as the unloved cars get scrapped and demand rises when the penny drops as to this great 2+2 with great chassis, big strong sills that you sit down between ala E-type, Aston etc. and timeless styling. As much as i love my SEC, i see it as a beautiful derivative of a sedan but the SLC is a 2+2 hardtop derivative of the SL - different heritage to me and hence why the car i am choosing to build as a competition car is the SLC (the car they should have built 560SLC) - but not very original because it is also the car Mercedes chose and won world championship rallies with.

I do know of a car, in queensland i believe (thanks for being one of the few new members to put your location!) and from a former Adelaide club member. Only trouble it may be less of a project than you were looking for and i haven't seen the car for a long time. Will PM/email detail because i don't think it is advertised publicly and only know from him emailing former club members for expressions of interest. Regardless he is a great guy and might be a good reference point to look at it.

And if you like the 450, i wouldn't rule out looking at 350's, esp early cars with 4spd auto and fluid coupling.

With upholstery you can look at new world upholstery and a couple of others to get an idea of costs. Panel work is just as expensive on any car - have a good look at the firewall and from inside the guards, you wouldn't want a car with that sort of rust. You can throw a lot of money at mechanical too, but then they can have great longevity.
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Re: 450SLC issues

Post by T-Modell » Sun 15 Jan, 2017 7:39 pm

Hi Mal,

welcome here and good luck with your search for a 107 ... However you have to skip the "C" in 450SLC; in Mercedes terms it stands for "Can't drive a proper R107, so I go for a C107" :laughing6: :laughing6:

As mentioned before, three things are important: condition, condition, condition (regarding rust). Those cars aren't worth spending thousands on rust repair. The rest can be fixed.

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Re: 450SLC issues

Post by Djenka018 » Mon 16 Jan, 2017 9:40 am

One of the early German articles on SLC was titled "Vitamin C for SL - the SLC"

I will fully agree that better starting condition pays back multiple times afterwards.
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Re: 450SLC issues

Post by Flaxton Fella » Mon 16 Jan, 2017 7:01 pm

Thanks Craig...after driving other 70's Benz, the SLC just does it for me. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, hey. It just felt right to ride & drive in. My wife has an 03 E500 with upgrades which is 'nice' to drive...however a bit plastic for me.

What would your "go to manual' be for the 450?....I am sure I will fill many shelves with many books/ manuals/ etc

I have found an off market 450 that is for parts however the owner is completely over priced ( I feel it's 'potential is what he is asking, no the pile of rust that it is)!! I shall wait for his response as I feel I offered a fair price for the unit.

Thanks Thomas...yes the rust sure is a killer. Look at a project on the weekend with the owner saying there was minimal surface rust (over the phone) however an onsite look revealed a very different story. I think the owner knew about the hidden areas of rust and was hoping no one saw it.

Shall keep you posted on my search...should be quite grand aye...

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Mal

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Re: 450SLC issues

Post by T-Modell » Mon 16 Jan, 2017 7:29 pm

Djenka018 wrote:One of the early German articles on SLC was titled "Vitamin C for SL - the SLC"
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Touché :laughing6:
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Re: 450SLC issues

Post by T-Modell » Mon 16 Jan, 2017 9:10 pm

Flaxton Fella wrote:...Look at a project on the weekend with the owner saying there was minimal surface rust (over the phone) ...
That's Thomas' "Factor-10-rule": The real rust is 10 times what you see. Sad, but true.

Btw. the next thing the guy will tell you is "xxx is not working, but it's just a 30$ part" ... always counter-question "then why don't you fix it?"

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Re: 450SLC issues

Post by CraigB » Mon 16 Jan, 2017 9:30 pm

OK someone will cringe, but i have to say I still like to reach for a simple book and there is a Haynes manual for 350/450 V8 cars but i think is just d-jet ie. up to 1976. Just don't take it as gospel because there are errors but mostly does the trick. I also have manuals on cd - you can pick them up cheap on ebay, but i use that a lot less. Neither is expensive so might as well get both. I also have some american manuals - Chiltons i think it is, that cover multiple vehicles but never seems to show me anything the others don't.

My fav is how many ads have "aircon just needs a regass" - Really? wouldn't spend a couple of hundred and do that if it really was just that? Most old aircon will need a grand or so thrown at it in my experience.
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Re: 450SLC issues

Post by Greg in Oz » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 12:34 am

Flaxton Fella wrote:...4/ Identity of the Project....I want the cars' identity qualified....Am a little stuck as to where to find the info of 70's models! I have Chassis # 6F91IMPORTSH9Z9001 and Engine # 11798322013669 on a '74 under consideration however not able to track down much more...
Just be aware that car (which is advertised on eBay) is not a 5 litre SLC as claimed by the seller. It appears to be just another rusty 450SLC lacking its original VIN / chassis number (which should start with 107024 for a 450SLC) and its original engine (that engine number would have come from a W116 sedan). There has been discussion about the car on this forum and on Facebook. Most suggestions are "buyer beware".
107023 - 350SLC: 1973, 3sp auto, icon gold, parchment MBtex (sold July 2012 after 29 years ownership)
107026 - 500SLC: 1981, 4sp auto, thistle green, green velour
124090 - 300TE: 1990, 4sp auto, arctic white, cream-beige MBtex
124090 - 300TE: 1992, 4sp auto, malachite (spruce green), black MBtex
201024 - 190E-2.0: 1985, 5sp manual, black, black MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 5sp manual, arctic white, blue leather
201028 - 190E-2.3: 1992, 4sp auto, blueblack, grey MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 4sp auto, signal red, black cloth (parts car)
201034 - 190E-2.3-16 Cosworth: 1985, 5sp manual, blueblack, black leather
YG2S8 - Mini Clubman GT: 1972, 4sp manual, blue, parchment vinyl (my first car which I still own)

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