Rally 450SLC

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Rally 450SLC

Post by p_mcnamara » Sat 23 Feb, 2013 9:45 pm

Found this article in my father's collection of Motor Sport magazine, enjoy!
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Post by Greg in Oz » Sun 24 Feb, 2013 12:26 am

Where's the "Like" button? An interesting article covering some SLC rally history prior to the factory's involvement covered in my article at viewtopic.php?f=13&t=12301 . I see mention of Tony Fowkes as his name also appears in my later article.

I was also interested to read they were getting 150hp at the rear wheels of the 450SLC rally car. A good point of reference for me having had my stock 500SLC dyno'd at close to 140kW (187hp) at the wheels (in 3rd gear).
107023 - 350SLC: 1973, 3sp auto, icon gold, parchment MBtex (sold July 2012 after 29 years ownership)
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124090 - 300TE: 1992, 4sp auto, malachite (spruce green), black MBtex
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Rally 450SLC

Post by p_mcnamara » Sun 24 Feb, 2013 7:38 am

It's a great article Greg & I love the British motoring journalism style. Your article was wonderful too, I hadn't read it before. There is a chapter in Brian Longs 2010 book on the rally cars (Mercedes Benz SL & SLC 107 series) which you may have seen? Love your car too, Cheers Pat

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Re: Rally 450SLC

Post by sf0999 » Sun 24 Feb, 2013 9:23 am

Nice article. 8.3 sec to 60mph is not terribly quick in todays terms (Greg's car would be a little quicker), but the ability of these cars in standard or close to standard form, to cover a variety of road types quickly and with ease is astounding. And the Benz can do it all day everyday.

I wonder what happened to the car. Many cars like this are worth less as a rally car, than if they have the cage removed are are sold as a stock road car so it is quite common to do just that. Someone could be trundling their 30 year old black 107 to club events without realising the particular car had some genuine rally history.

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Re: Rally 450SLC

Post by tony66au » Sun 24 Feb, 2013 9:50 am

"A long snout romps into view" Love the writing style.

How much fun would it be to run an SLC in the Australian Rally Championships!

I can see how they would do well on the low center of gravity and structural integrity alone!

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Post by tony66au » Sun 24 Feb, 2013 10:06 am

Steve although the Nought to Sixty time isnt quick by todays standards the launch is only important once per stage.

Reliability and a compliant well balanced chassis and the ability to finish what you started keeping a smooth flowing rhythm however is very important and the long wheelbase and other attributes matched with driving skill would even today make these cars very competitive in Rear wheel drive events in my opinion.

I have been for the past 5 or so years been thinking of returning to Club rally perhaps sticking a toe in the water doing Khana events and my recent experience with the SLC has impressed the hell out of me.

A manualised Auto box and a better breathing engine and I suspect even a fairly standard 350 on rally retreads would be a dynamite combo on dirt.

Might have to find another SLC sometime in the near future methinks, a *cough* Running "Parts car" lol
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Re: Rally 450SLC

Post by Greg in Oz » Sun 24 Feb, 2013 10:04 pm

Pat,
I haven't yet looked at Brian Long's book on the 107. I will have to get myself one of those.

Steve,
8.3 seconds for 0 to 60mph in the 450SLC would be about right. 0 to 100km/h (62mph) takes just a little longer. From memory, the 350SLC with auto tranny ran from 0 to 100km/h in just over 9 seconds. The 350SLC with manual box did it in about 9 dead. The 450SLC (auto only) without emission controls was good for the high 8 second range. The 450SLC-5.0 still running the 3 speed auto managed about 8 seconds and the 500SLC with the 4 speed auto was around 7.5 seconds. Those times may not sound especially fast today, but back in those days anything under 10 seconds was considered good. Also remember that the 450SLC was achieving these times with a 3.07 final drive and the 5 litre SLCs had tall 2.72 rear gears. I can remember back to the early '80s when I first owned my 350SLC how very few cars could beat it at a traffic light drag. Even funnier was the fact that with the 3 speed auto it could run 0 to 100 all in first gear. The 500SLC normally starts in 2nd gear and the trickiest part to getting a good launch using first is to avoid wild wheelspin, and that is even with the optional LSD and slightly wider rubber I have on mine. I suspect the mid 7 second time may well be with the standard open diff and 205 tyres. When I can get mine to hook up well in first it definitely feels faster.

Tony,
The SLC is a magic car at speed on the dirt. Had my budget and car storage space allowed, I would have liked to build my old 350SLC into a replica of the factory rally cars to use in forest special stage rallies. There has been an SLC (with alloy 5 litre) running in AMSAG rallies here in NSW in recent years and it performs well and is spectacular to watch. As for other club events, an SLC really isn't suited to tight stuff like motorkhanas. For race circuits it could work well with suitable suspension stiffening. I thoroughly enjoy my 500SLC in club level classic rallies (mainly tarmac with small amounts unsealed). Whilst the car is unmodified, it suits this style of event well. I wish I had the budget to allow me to run it (at Tour level) in the popular Targa events in Australia.

Greg
107023 - 350SLC: 1973, 3sp auto, icon gold, parchment MBtex (sold July 2012 after 29 years ownership)
107026 - 500SLC: 1981, 4sp auto, thistle green, green velour
124090 - 300TE: 1990, 4sp auto, arctic white, cream-beige MBtex
124090 - 300TE: 1992, 4sp auto, malachite (spruce green), black MBtex
201024 - 190E-2.0: 1985, 5sp manual, black, black MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 5sp manual, arctic white, blue leather
201028 - 190E-2.3: 1992, 4sp auto, blueblack, grey MBtex
201028 - 190E-2.3 Sportline: 1990, 4sp auto, signal red, black cloth (parts car)
201034 - 190E-2.3-16 Cosworth: 1985, 5sp manual, blueblack, black leather
YG2S8 - Mini Clubman GT: 1972, 4sp manual, blue, parchment vinyl (my first car which I still own)

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Re: Rally 450SLC

Post by p_mcnamara » Mon 01 Jan, 2018 9:05 pm

Motorsport August 1976.JPG
We are moving house and I am cleaning out the shed.
As a follow up to the article previously posted I found this photo in the August 76 edition of Motorsport which predates it by a year.
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