HELP REQUIRED . Recommendation for a inspection of 280Sydney

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HELP REQUIRED . Recommendation for a inspection of 280Sydney

Post by entice » Mon 30 Dec, 2013 10:35 pm

Hi, just wondering if anyone can, or cn recommend someone o look at a 280sl in Sydney for an interstate purchase,


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Re: HELP REQUIRED . Recommendation for a inspection of 280Sy

Post by CraigB » Tue 31 Dec, 2013 9:57 am

I just realised by accidentally hitting reply first that people can't respond until a moderator approves the first few posts - anyway have done that now. I can't recommend anyone personally and others may respond in time, but i was just going to say if you are in a hurry if you call the forum sponsor number at the top of the page i am sure he can recommend someone. As a pagoda owner who had a check done before purchasing there are a lot of expensive bits you may not expect that you would want to use in your bargaining - one example for me was broken heater switches (although i think there may be repros available now). Really important to get a proper check on such an important purchase.
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Re: HELP REQUIRED . Recommendation for a inspection of 280Sy

Post by entice » Tue 31 Dec, 2013 3:18 pm

Many thanks for the advice.
Yes, I understand that the devil (and cost) is most definitely in the detail.

Sadly there are too few located side by side to be able to "spot the differences" unless you have had prior knowledge and experience in these.

Car is still listed on carsales, and it is:
http://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/detai ... =3&sdmvc=1

If anyone has any prior knowledge of it it would be greatly appreciated....


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Re: HELP REQUIRED . Recommendation for a inspection of 280Sy

Post by John Green » Tue 31 Dec, 2013 8:38 pm

Which end of Sydney are you?
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Re: HELP REQUIRED . Recommendation for a inspection of 280Sy

Post by CraigB » Tue 31 Dec, 2013 10:54 pm

Anyone know the dealer? It all looks pretty honest but the main thing i noticed is that it is very shiny and perhaps 2pack paint. Some like it, some don't but you would want to be one that likes it i guess! But that is one reason you need a trained eye to check because if that is fresh paint you don't know what is under it and it looks like there might be a blemish escaping at the top of the tailight in that close up photo of the rear badge/script. You just need to make sure the shiny paint is not covering a stack of filler and poorly treated rust that will leak out later. Interior looks clean and original, drivers seat you see padding is a little down on one side, but that is fixable if it bothers you and this car hasn't got a $150k or so asking price either. But to me it suggests it might be more likely it is a used and cared for car that has fresh paint rather than a dilapidated basket case with new interior etc fitted and you don't know how well it has been rebuilt.

Lots of thinking out loud there but someone who knows the cars will sort out all that with a good look.
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Re: HELP REQUIRED . Recommendation for a inspection of 280Sy

Post by entice » Wed 01 Jan, 2014 12:10 am

John Green wrote:Which end of Sydney are you?
Im not in sydney but in melbourne.
Minor blemishes and imperfections are not a concern. I know it must have been refinished at some point and that is to be expected at that price point. But I don't want to be bothering with something that has damaged floors sills and wheel arches!
Any help with pre purchase inspections would be greatly appreciated!
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Re: HELP REQUIRED . Recommendation for a inspection of 280Sy

Post by entice » Wed 01 Jan, 2014 1:16 am

Craig,
I think I know what you mean regarding the blemish. Image 15 has a similar looking blemish, so I would imagine it may be a reflection of the landscape.
I have seen a few of these cars ranging from 80 to 130k. I could not tell much of a difference between them other than providence. And tbh, I couldn't see any value in the 130k car I saw, as it had glaring imperfections and poor treatment of the boot, with overspray in abundance.

We keep looking....


John,
My apologies, I may have been mistaken.
If you are referring to the ar's location, it is in brookvale, but the dealer is happy o take it o an inspection point.


Thanks again for your assistance.
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Re: HELP REQUIRED . Recommendation for a inspection of 280Sy

Post by CraigB » Wed 01 Jan, 2014 8:13 am

Good move doing 2 different posts to reply - that should just about get you through the needing to be approved posts! At least we know it is a real person asking questions.

Another suggestion that I am sure at least treedoc won't mind, is to go to the thread about the national 50th gathering in Canberra that treedoc was the main organiser. While Geoff is not in Sydney he may well know where to go or direct you to someone. But JG is on to it and he knows as much/more than anyone. If this car is a possibility I expect you want to move quickly and work out one way or another if it is a goer.
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Re: HELP REQUIRED . Recommendation for a inspection of 280Sy

Post by CraigB » Wed 01 Jan, 2014 8:16 am

One more thing I noticed is that where a car has been ordered with different colour roof, I thought the hubcaps matched the roof colour. Could be all sorts of reasons behind that and not sure how it would look with white hubcaps - but just something I learnt at the Canberra meeting. I am sure that amongst the 55 or so pagodas seen that weekend that this was not one of them - might have made it 56! If you get the vin someone will be able to get up for you detail like original colour and options. Also treedoc or someone like that may well know your car and history.
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Re: HELP REQUIRED . Recommendation for a inspection of 280Sy

Post by Mercmad » Wed 01 Jan, 2014 8:37 am

Npt a bad car,wrong colour on the caps and the passenger seats to have come undone but no big deal. I think this car may have been for sale in Brisbane a long time ago. Try John at MB classic Star in Greenacre for an inspection. He deals with Mercedes of this vintage all the time.

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Post by entice » Wed 01 Jan, 2014 9:24 am

The hard top is not the one that was with the car originally,
It had been sourced later and then coloured white/ivory apparently to "break up the colour. Definitely is missing boot floor cover and tool kit as well as spare wheel cover. also missing is the ashtray cover. To me, none of these are dealbreakers, as they can be attained when sourced.. I've seen complete cars go so far as 150-170K, and this is most definitely not one of them! Yes the interior looks tired, but is useable. The roof lining for the hard top also looks tired, But I imagine these can be sourced.

TBH I don't mind it, and quite like it the way it is. But as the saying goes, it looks good from far... but.. (is it far from good?).

OK, I'm not sure if I can PM Yet, but how else can I get in contact with Treedoc? I do have the VIN.

Yes, I am definitely interested in the possibility of this vehicle. I've seen a few that I didn't mind but had optimistic price tags (what appear to be similar condition to this but priced closer to 100K).. Much like the current crop of a few 190sl's that I've seen.

A lot of "sellers" believe their "assets" to be concourse, and price them as concourse vehicles..... Personally I'm after a good, solid Australian Delivered car, ready to turn key and enjoy. I am also well aware of restoration labour costs, but not part costs! I do have current projects on the go - hence my desire for a complete car. My brother-in-law is a customiser/restorer of classics, hot rods, and bikes...Sadly he is also in Melbourne and although he could scrounge over every mm of paint and metal, he too is short for time and a weekend trip to Sydney isn't justifiable if the car doesn't cut it. perhaps if acquired this could be turned in to concourse also but my time is stretched and with other "unfinished" items it's not on the horizon.

Again, Many thanks for all of your assistance....
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Re: HELP REQUIRED . Recommendation for a inspection of 280Sy

Post by KimB » Wed 01 Jan, 2014 10:17 am

Who is the brookvale dealer? Reason I ask is that we bought our sec coupe from a dealer in brookie.
Re inspection....we used roland grellinger at peninslar prestige at narrabeen to check the coupe before we bought it. He knows mercs inside out. Only thing is he's away until jan 20.
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Post by entice » Wed 01 Jan, 2014 10:32 am

PM to Kim B (yes it's working now), not sure If I can post dealer names and possibly start something that we don't want to go to!
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Post by KimB » Wed 01 Jan, 2014 10:43 am

Sorry. Cant access messages for some reason.keep getting proxy messages. Will try later.
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Re: HELP REQUIRED . Recommendation for a inspection of 280Sy

Post by CraigB » Wed 01 Jan, 2014 5:31 pm

yep the proxy thing i find is usually short term so have another go maybe.

I totally relate with what you are saying entice - and these are great cars to drive and particularly at first you don't want something too perfect that you don't want to use. By the sounds of things it is ideal as long as that shiny paint isn't hiding rust or poor repairs and every chance it isn't. If you want to put the roof back to red easy job but if you are like me the roof spends a lot of time in the garage - at its best with the roof down. And i had a similar conversation with my seller as to what concourse actually means - he seemed to think it meant pretty good for its age!

Usually i have just posted a vin up and some kind person looks it up and posts the details.
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Re: HELP REQUIRED . Recommendation for a inspection of 280Sy

Post by entice » Wed 01 Jan, 2014 11:20 pm

Thanks,

Well as the story goes, teh VIN for this vehicle is:
113.044.00 013305
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Post by Greg in Oz » Thu 02 Jan, 2014 12:00 am

entice wrote:Thanks,

Well as the story goes, teh VIN for this vehicle is:
113.044.00 013305
If anyone is able to assist it is greatly appreciated,
For a RHD automatic the 7th and 8th digits should be 22.
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Post by KimB » Thu 02 Jan, 2014 8:53 am

KimB wrote:Sorry. Cant access messages for some reason.keep getting proxy messages. Will try later.
I was finally able to see your pm. Sent reply.
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Post by entice » Thu 02 Jan, 2014 9:05 am

My apologies. Yes, they are 22 and not 00!

Making it 113 044 22 013305

I shouldn't be posting in the middle of the night!
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Re: HELP REQUIRED . Recommendation for a inspection of 280Sy

Post by Danny 59 » Wed 19 Mar, 2014 8:53 pm

How come nobody bought this when it was in Brookvale at $89K? It's just gone up by $50K (now advertised at $139K) by virtue of moving to the Classic Throttle Shop in North Sydney.
This car has been around for a while - firstly about 2 years ago without a hardtop. The white top now with it was sourced separately. The day I looked at it some months ago in Brookvale, the speedo and tacho had been removed from the binnacle and the guy said they needed either some electrical or calibration work - no impropriety suggested, by the way.
It was an OK car - tired, soggy upholstery and obviously tarted up exterior-wise (albeit pretty neatly) but it seems strange that nobody bought it. I can't see how any half-decent 250/280 Pagoda under $100K is still hanging around - does anybody know anything at all about this car?

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Post by AMG » Wed 19 Mar, 2014 9:08 pm

A fool and his money are soon parted.
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Post by Danny 59 » Wed 19 Mar, 2014 9:13 pm

Go on, Joe B. Do tell!

Were you just making an observation there or do you know something?!

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Post by entice » Wed 19 Mar, 2014 9:27 pm

I dont think it is the same car.
actually its not the same car.

The Brookvale car required quite a bit of work.
On quick inspection it had leaks in: PWS, Rear engine, AT.
Also, the front end was overgreased recently indicating possible suspension work required.
rust in firewall lower r and LHS.
Rust rear rails (4inch long)
Interior very tired.
Speedo had been changed, with no documentation to support when or at what Klms it had been changed. Provenance thus sketchy.

Yes, if it was a solid car, it was good value.

Repairs on the leaks alone were quoted at over 5K for me. Then there's the rust (where do you start/stop?), and the interior requiring a redo.
easy 30K to put into it.

I ended up buying a different car, which was all sorted and ticked the boxes I needed ticked.

But, I am amazed at the discrepancy between different cars on the market, and what they fetch.
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Post by AMG » Thu 20 Mar, 2014 9:00 pm

Danny 59 wrote:Go on, Joe B. Do tell!

Were you just making an observation there or do you know something?!
yep: obs.
Danny 59 wrote: It's just gone up by $50K (now advertised at $139K) by virtue of moving to the Classic Throttle Shop in North Sydney.
Current:
1987 560SL 4sp. auto Signalrot "Stella"
1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Classic 4sp auto Ardennes Green "Oswald"
2012 E63 AMG Speedshift MCT Diamantweiß "Klaus"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
1989 2.5-16 Blauschwarz 4sp. auto (parted) formerly owned by Derek/Hasan.
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"

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