noobie owner of 1972 280 SE 3.5 in Adelaide

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Post by nickant » Sun 19 Feb, 2006 9:20 pm

Hello all!
I'm in the process of buying my first MB!
I should have it by the end of the week.
I've been surfing this forum for a few days and must say that I have been impressed by the quality of the responses.
I fear I may need help in the near future! :-)
My car has an electric fuel pump leak - similar to another post, so I may have to source one of those Bosch pumps soon!
cheers all!
1972 W108 280 SE 3.5 Saloon

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Post by HansKruger » Sun 19 Feb, 2006 10:25 pm

Hi Nick

Welcome to our little MB community here, there are a few guys here with 3.5's so if you have any questions I'm sure everyone will be only to happy to share information.

The 3.5's are a timeless classic, with subtle flowing lines and curves.
The tall grille is a reminiscent reminder of the classic Benz’s of the 50’s and 60’s

Everyone here loves to see pictures so if you are able to we would love to see some shots of your new ride.

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Post by nickant » Sun 19 Feb, 2006 10:36 pm

Thank you Hans!
One of the reasons I bought her was to use her as my wedding car in December.
We may actually be honeymooning in Tasmania!
I looked on the net for a few weeks but this car came up locally in Adelaide.
I will post photos once I get her and have some time.

I was also going to send a message to Les in QLD regarding the fuel pump, as he sourced a Bosch pump for $124 last year.
cheers.
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Post by ADow » Sun 19 Feb, 2006 11:34 pm

Good choice - and there are plenty of enthusiastic 3.5 owners around who will be only too happy to share their knowledge with you.

Nick, do you have the data card? They look like this.
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~adow/datacard.htm

It can be a useful source of information about the car including the actual day of manufacture, original option list etc.

Till Dillenburger at
till.dillenburger@daimlerchrysler.com
can send you a copy if you send him the chassis number of your car and proof of ownership, such as a scanned registration card.

BEA might also have the original sales card which will tell when it was sold in Adelaide and to whom. If you go into spares and ask for Simon or Peter they will be happy to assist you.

It would great it you could post few pix.
Alastair
1971 280SE 3.5 - Don Ottavio - sold
1980 300D (formerly daughter's) - Heidi - sold
1999 C200 Elegance (currently daughter's)
1981 300D (son's) - Hektor
1998 Puma Clubman with 225 RWKW SR20DET - Percy
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Post by ADow » Sun 19 Feb, 2006 11:37 pm

One of the reasons I bought her was to use her as my wedding car in December.
ps You might be able to get a fleet of w109/9 3.5s from this list for your nuptuals.
Alastair
1971 280SE 3.5 - Don Ottavio - sold
1980 300D (formerly daughter's) - Heidi - sold
1999 C200 Elegance (currently daughter's)
1981 300D (son's) - Hektor
1998 Puma Clubman with 225 RWKW SR20DET - Percy
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Post by nickant » Sun 19 Feb, 2006 11:50 pm

Thanks Alastair!
May take you up on that wedding car deal :D
The advert for my car is still on the trading post web site - if you do a search you will find it - a large photo of the car is posted with the ad.
It needs some TLC but should be a good one once sorted.
I hope I've not been too badly burnt on this purchase.
The car has been in Adelaide for the last 4 years.
Apparently, it has only been used for 2200km in the last 2 years.
It was serviced by an older mechanic at Glenelg.
Does anyone on the forum have any knowledge of it?
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Post by CraigB » Tue 21 Feb, 2006 10:21 am

Welcome Nickant.

Alastair, I tried getting copies of datacards 3 times to date. At one stage I even got an email that said that they would be happy too but needed me to send rego certificates again. Emailed back on a number of occasions but have had no response at all. I am pretty sure I have been very polite and grateful in all communications so not sure where I have gone wrong. One email mentioned the sale of a colourful looking certificate and I just figured they were ignoring datacard requests to try and drum up business. I don't mind paying for data but thats all I want, not a glossy certificate to file away in a drawer.

Does anyone know how any secret words - Danke doesn't work!

In protest I haven't bought one new Mercedes since they have been ignoring me!
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Post by OzBenzHead » Tue 21 Feb, 2006 10:39 am

Craig (and nickant):

I have initiated a couple of dozen communications with M-B in Germany.

The responses have been patchy: some emails have received no answer at all; others have been answered - usually satisfactorily - almost immediately.

The Classic Center seems the most reliable, but is not 100%; other departments are very hit-and-miss. Forget trying to communicate with M-B Oz! You don't exist to them.

Here is the address of the person who has answered a few of my queries (including those relating to data cards): silvie.kiefer@daimlerchrysler.com.

Good luck.
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1965 W112 300 SE/C
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and formerly:
1955 W180 220a
1965 W111 220 S
1970 W108 280 SE (my first Benz)
1973 W116 280 SE Crayford Estate (previously owned by Rolf Harris)
1980 W116 280 SE
1989 W124 300 E
1992 W201 180 E
1992 W201 190 E 2.0
+ numerous W108 and W116 rolling spares

and prior to my M-B enlightenment:
53 other cars of many nations, but mostly British oil-leakers (including 14 Rovers of the 50s and 60s) cursed by Lucas the Prince of Darkness. First car owned (at age 13): 1953 Fiat. Learned to drive in: 1927 Nash utility paddock-basher & Grey Fergie tractor. Driven distance (logged as at 30 June 2016): 4.6 million km.

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Post by nickant » Tue 21 Feb, 2006 1:02 pm

Thanks OzBenzHead - I'll email my info on the weekend once the car is in my possession.

....Craig Baulderstone......hmmmm..........Unley High School 1976-1980........I think we were in some of the same classes!!!

A question for you Adelaide owners:
Where do you get your W108 serviced??
The previous owner knows of an older guy at Glenelg.
For BMW I have a recommendation for BMWise at Thebarton.
They can service MB as well, but if any local fellow has a suggestion......

Cheers
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Post by OzBenzHead » Tue 21 Feb, 2006 1:42 pm

nickant wrote: Baulderstone......hmmmm..........Unley High School 1976-1980........I think we were in some of the same classes!!!
Hmmm indeed! 'Tis a small world, eh!

If you guys were in Senior classes (years 11 and 12) in '79 - '80, there's a fair chance you had to put up with me for a session of Sexual Health.

During those years (actually '79 - '82) I was part of a team - working through C.I.T.Y. (Community Improvement Through Youth), Youth Link (a youth-oriented telephone-based information and counselling service), and Family Planning - that delivered Sexual Health sessions to senior years in many Adelaide high schools. Vaseline Valley (as Unley was commonly known back then; is it still?) was one of those schools we serviced (ahem - as it were).

We were fairly radical for our time; we used to demonstrate how to fit condoms (using dildos - in the classroom!), and were very "out there" in our presentations. We showed graphic slides and short movies, and spoke very directly, using the appropriate youth idiom rather than starchy, technical terminology. Usually we had the schoolies cracking up at our antics, because we worked on the notion of humour being a great educator (it's more likely to be remembered).

We were a tad too much for some schools and were not invited back (if at all), but Unley presented no problems.

Of course, you might have had another team; there were 12 of us working the scheme, and we used to mix it up so that no one team got stale.

Those were fun days!
OzBenzHead
Currently owned:
1965 W112 300 SE/C
1983 C126 380 SEC

and formerly:
1955 W180 220a
1965 W111 220 S
1970 W108 280 SE (my first Benz)
1973 W116 280 SE Crayford Estate (previously owned by Rolf Harris)
1980 W116 280 SE
1989 W124 300 E
1992 W201 180 E
1992 W201 190 E 2.0
+ numerous W108 and W116 rolling spares

and prior to my M-B enlightenment:
53 other cars of many nations, but mostly British oil-leakers (including 14 Rovers of the 50s and 60s) cursed by Lucas the Prince of Darkness. First car owned (at age 13): 1953 Fiat. Learned to drive in: 1927 Nash utility paddock-basher & Grey Fergie tractor. Driven distance (logged as at 30 June 2016): 4.6 million km.

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Post by ADow » Tue 21 Feb, 2006 8:30 pm

For anything to do with 108/9s
I recommend Lee Dillon at Ascot Circle Track motors
43 Raglan Ave
EDWARDSTOWN, SA 5039
8293-4034

I have been going to Lee for years - when I've tried others I've usually regretted it. There is little he does not know about classic Benzes. He can do most things including rebuilding auto transmissions, . There is also a little body shop on site that does good work.
He is a Benz trained mechanic and his workshop is usually full of cars - a good sign.
Charges about $60 per hour.
Alastair
1971 280SE 3.5 - Don Ottavio - sold
1980 300D (formerly daughter's) - Heidi - sold
1999 C200 Elegance (currently daughter's)
1981 300D (son's) - Hektor
1998 Puma Clubman with 225 RWKW SR20DET - Percy
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Post by CraigB » Wed 22 Feb, 2006 11:38 am

I certainly was at Unley in those years but I don't remember a Nickant but then maybe that is an alias? If you don't want your real name known you can always email me direct.

It is a small world though. Ozbenzhead, I think I would have remembered such a fun session and I'm dissapointed I missed out! Might of been having my crabs treated that day! Thanks for the contact with MB and I will give it another go. I find it a bit concerning though with the communication. So if i buy a new benz and have trouble, is this the response i should expect?

On to mechanics, I had an unpleasant experience with Lee that involved some integrity issues but this could have been a one off. There is a guy at Glenelg, Lynton Garage I think which is in the old service station on the road midway between Jetty Road and Anzac Hwy (Augusta st and possibly on the corner of Gordon or Rose St). He is a bit of a whiz and sorted out a long standing problem I had on another car but I found him a bit pricey back then. I didn't have a great experience with BEA but have been most pleased with Wann motors and Mark(?) Williams there. I found the charges reasonable, did only what I asked them and solved problems that BEA couldn't. For transmissions there is a real whiz called Eddy who as i recall was quite reasonable with charges. I am sure someone on here knows him and if not I could track him down .
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Photos now available!

Post by nickant » Sat 25 Feb, 2006 4:07 pm

1972 W108 280 SE 3.5 Saloon

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Post by SMOKEZ » Sat 25 Feb, 2006 11:51 pm

Love those pics.

Looks extremely nice and straight.!

Its good to see another 280se on the road in such fine condition.

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Post by nickant » Sun 26 Feb, 2006 3:25 pm

Thank you SMOKEZ for the kind words.

She still needs some work to get her fully operational:

the alternator is not charging fully when hot - I got stranded last night and had to be jump started. Just bought a battery charger today.

There is a transmission fluid leak - this despite the previous owner having spent $900 in 2002 and $1200 in 2003 to get this fixed (at Lintons Garage)!

The dashboard lights died after the jump start last night. It's not the fuse. Previous service history shows potentiometer contact was cleaned in 2002 - may need to be again!

The odometer+trip meter are not working.

She drives great, but I only got her Saturday morning so not a wonderful first day.....
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Post by ADow » Sun 26 Feb, 2006 10:33 pm

The transmission guy is Eddie Grabis - Starmatics
His details are
Unit 1/4 Iris St
Melrose Park
and his phone number is 8357 4344

Eddie is a true character - he likes to talk, is generous with his knowledge and is an authority on Benz transmissions. You can learn a lot from him. He is going to retire in about 12 months.

He does not like removing or replacing transmissions. He charges about $800 labour to rebuild the trans, and then you need to get the new gaskets, clutches, bands etc from John Green. Or you can get a second hand box from John G.

Nick your car looks great - a nice straight body, good brightwork and interior.
Alastair
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1980 300D (formerly daughter's) - Heidi - sold
1999 C200 Elegance (currently daughter's)
1981 300D (son's) - Hektor
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Post by CraigB » Tue 28 Feb, 2006 10:37 am

I said Lintons Garage was expensive so maybe he just checked the fluid level for $900! What I didn't say about him being a whiz is that he is a fuel injection whiz - or at least that is the problem he solved for me. If you have an hour or so to spare, I would drop in and see Eddie Grabis. As Alastair says, you can learn a lot from him and it is worth taking the time in my opinion. In the end you could save a lot of time and money by him having a quick drive and assessing the trans and looking at your leak.

I wouldn't be disheartened too much by a bad first day. I had exactly the same thing happen with a bad alternator on my 280sl. I had a check done on the car though and knew it was stuffed - despite the seller telling me that they didn't know what they were talking about because he had never charged the battery (which he must have been doing daily!). I at least expected to make it home but I was limping by the end!

Interesting how people look at things differently though. If it was me, I would want the new owner to know all the little faults - like would it have changed your mind or the price if a couple of little things are wrong? For me I would rather fix the alternator and say 'look it has a new alternator' and put another $100 on the asking price if it is a big deal. With my car, I stuck new shocks on, fixed the alternator, replaced the diff bush which made it sound like something bad was wrong and it drove like a million dollars. With proper bilstein shocks I think that cost me about $1k and I payed $7k less than the asking price of the car after a month or so of people looking at it and not buying it. What if the seller had lashed out and spent the grand? - would one of the potential buyers have thought, well the paint is a bit faded but gee it drives real nice - instead of thinking that if it is rough in these areas, what about the rest of it. For me there were enough good points that I took a risk and I think it paid off. For the guy selling it, he probably still thinks he is a winner because he saved the cost of fixing the alternator. What more could you want - everyones a winner!
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Post by CraigB » Tue 28 Feb, 2006 10:41 am

And for the odometer / trip, if your speedo is working obviously the cable, drive etc. is working. I would take out the unit yourself and drop it in to Beale Instruments on Old Port Road. They have fixed a number of instruments over the years for me and I found them much more reasonable than auto instruments - which now seem to have gone anyway.
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Post by ADow » Wed 01 Mar, 2006 11:18 pm

I wouldn't be disheartened too much by a bad first day
Or the 50th bad day for that matter. As you say Craig, it is all a matter of perspective. If we expect a 30+ year old car to be like a new car, we will be sadly disappointed once the intial honeymoon period wears off. There was a 6.3 website that had a funny/sad diagram about the phases of 6.3 ownership. It went something like this - phase 1. Dreams of power and glamour, phase 2. The purchase of something affordable with intentions to restore, phase 3. Dawning realisation of the cost and commitment of bringing the car up to scratch, phase 4. attempts to repair components, phase 5. components dismantled - Parts lost or misplaced, phase 6. car no longer runs phase 7. disillusion and despair sets in, phase 8. car sold at a loss to someone who is at phase 1.
Unless you pay big bucks for one that has been fully restored, or big bucks squared to pay for one to be restored by someone else, you will have a 'rolling restoration' - where there is always something to be done. It took me a while to realise that the Don would never be absolutely perfect - but as time has gone on, the fact that he requires regular attention has become a major part of the fun of ownership. Its like a gigantic puzzle and the challenge is to understand how all the bits of the puzzle fit (especially d-jet). What's been great about Ozvets, is that you don't have to do it alone.
Alastair
1971 280SE 3.5 - Don Ottavio - sold
1980 300D (formerly daughter's) - Heidi - sold
1999 C200 Elegance (currently daughter's)
1981 300D (son's) - Hektor
1998 Puma Clubman with 225 RWKW SR20DET - Percy
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Post by nickant » Sun 05 Mar, 2006 12:32 pm

Hi guys.
Well, I took the old girl to Lee Dillon at Ascot last week.
He advised that the brakes on the right side had pretty much seized up and no pads left at front.
Another 20 km or so and I would have had smoke comming out everywhere!
So, 2 days and $1k later the car is up and running.
Alternator charges ok when he tested it - have left it for now.
Battery charger, jumper leads and RAA card at the ready!
Instrument lights (usually) working, but no odometer/trip.
Only issue now is that it doesn't like to idle very well.
I can knock it into neutral and it's fine then.
But with air cond on (at that works strongly) it stalls at idle.
It also surges when air cond is on and heading uphill under load.
Driving wise - it's great!
Steering and ride/handling are really good.
Seating position is panoramic.
I just need to tweak her a bit more and regain confidence in her.
I'll be selling the two spare Becker radios that came with her.
Becker Grand Prix radio - no knobs though, but allegedly in working condition.
Becker Mexico Cassette - knobs complete - cannot confirm working order.
Might place them on the forum and ebay within a week.
Again thanks for all the words of wisdom!
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Post by ADow » Tue 07 Mar, 2006 8:41 pm

The instrument lights problem being intermittent is likely to be the rheostat that alters the brightness - if the lights go on an off when you adjust the brightness using the pointed rubber knob (which is paired with an identical knob that is your trip meter) then you can be almost certain that it is the rheostat. I think you need to remove the instruments cluster to replace it. There will be someone on Ozvets who would be able to tell you how to do it. If I remember rightly the main thing to be aware of is the oil feed to the oil pressure guage. You can replace the rheostat when you fix the speedo.
If it is not idling when you have the A/C on and in gear and it is idling without any load a quick and dirty cure is to crank up the idle by a couple 100 revs. I do this at the beginning of summer when I use the a/c. (Another A/c tip is to use it every week even in mid winter for a few minutes to keep all the seals fresh). I can send you a photo with the idle mixture part circled if you send me your email address. I think anticlockwise increases the revs and clockwise reduces them.
I'm curious about the surging with the A/C on - it might be when the compressor cuts in or out and you get a slight but noticeable increase or decrease in power.
Radio - you can also get on ebay 'correct' Becker Europa FM radios for these cars. When they were sold new in Aust there was no FM radio so they all came out with AM, but FM radio was available in the US and Europe specced cars. A mono FM works with the original single front and rear speakers, and can be picked up on US e-Bay for about $50 US. The sound improvement is fantastic, and unless you are a real audiophile quite ok for non doof doofers. It's nice to have a radio is the correct period for the car. If either of your radios are FM they can be worth serious money. You can also get replacement bits as a complete radio is going to be worth a lot more.
Check the site below for prices and spare parts

http://www.koenigs-klassik.de/indexe.html
Alastair
1971 280SE 3.5 - Don Ottavio - sold
1980 300D (formerly daughter's) - Heidi - sold
1999 C200 Elegance (currently daughter's)
1981 300D (son's) - Hektor
1998 Puma Clubman with 225 RWKW SR20DET - Percy
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Post by OzBenzHead » Tue 07 Mar, 2006 8:59 pm

OzBenzHead
Currently owned:
1965 W112 300 SE/C
1983 C126 380 SEC

and formerly:
1955 W180 220a
1965 W111 220 S
1970 W108 280 SE (my first Benz)
1973 W116 280 SE Crayford Estate (previously owned by Rolf Harris)
1980 W116 280 SE
1989 W124 300 E
1992 W201 180 E
1992 W201 190 E 2.0
+ numerous W108 and W116 rolling spares

and prior to my M-B enlightenment:
53 other cars of many nations, but mostly British oil-leakers (including 14 Rovers of the 50s and 60s) cursed by Lucas the Prince of Darkness. First car owned (at age 13): 1953 Fiat. Learned to drive in: 1927 Nash utility paddock-basher & Grey Fergie tractor. Driven distance (logged as at 30 June 2016): 4.6 million km.

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Post by nickant » Tue 07 Mar, 2006 9:12 pm

Hi Alastair.
Took the car back to Lee.
The alternator is a non-original 35A unit.
It can't cope with the Air Cond drain and flattens the battery + reduces the ignition system's output to the point of power loss/surging.
He will source a proper 55A unit and have it rebuilt.
He will also raise the idle speed by 100 rpm as it was a bit low.
The rheostat was supposedly service a couple of years ago but is in need of a good service.
The Becker radios both have FM bands!
I have added a couple of extra photos at the photobucket site.
Thanks again!
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Post by ADow » Tue 07 Mar, 2006 9:21 pm

Ask him to show you how to adjust the idle. You can do it with a 5 cent coin and it is useful to know how to do it.
Can you add photos of the radios to your site, and also add your URL to your profile. Means your pix are directly connected to each post.
Thanks
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1980 300D (formerly daughter's) - Heidi - sold
1999 C200 Elegance (currently daughter's)
1981 300D (son's) - Hektor
1998 Puma Clubman with 225 RWKW SR20DET - Percy
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Post by nickant » Tue 07 Mar, 2006 10:25 pm

Becker photos and URL link now in place!
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Post by ADow » Tue 07 Mar, 2006 10:36 pm

Thanks for the URL and pix - the Becker Mexico Cassette looks like the same one as on eBay for $250 US.
Item number 4619265958
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1980 300D (formerly daughter's) - Heidi - sold
1999 C200 Elegance (currently daughter's)
1981 300D (son's) - Hektor
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Post by nickant » Wed 22 Mar, 2006 9:43 pm

Hi all.
Well, the old girl is now running right!
A rebuilt 55A alternator and new 700CCA Bosch battery have made all the difference.
Also did both front wheel bearings, which were going to be an issue for long trips.
Now for the bad news:
My wedding is off!
Fiancee and I are splitting up.
So my initial reason for buying the car - to use as my wedding car - has gone...
And now the car just reminds me of what might have been.
:-(
So I'm thinking of selling.
Anyone interested?
1972 W108 280 SE 3.5 Saloon

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OzBenzHead
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Post by OzBenzHead » Wed 22 Mar, 2006 10:16 pm

nickant wrote:... My wedding is off!
Fiancee and I are splitting up. ...
Nickant: That's too bad; my condolences.

I hope it wasn't over the Benz! (Cars have been known to lead to such disharmonies before today.)

Don't rush things; once the initial sting has softened, you just might find you have a great car worth keeping; perhaps the negative association will fade with time. (I hope so, for your sake.)
OzBenzHead
Currently owned:
1965 W112 300 SE/C
1983 C126 380 SEC

and formerly:
1955 W180 220a
1965 W111 220 S
1970 W108 280 SE (my first Benz)
1973 W116 280 SE Crayford Estate (previously owned by Rolf Harris)
1980 W116 280 SE
1989 W124 300 E
1992 W201 180 E
1992 W201 190 E 2.0
+ numerous W108 and W116 rolling spares

and prior to my M-B enlightenment:
53 other cars of many nations, but mostly British oil-leakers (including 14 Rovers of the 50s and 60s) cursed by Lucas the Prince of Darkness. First car owned (at age 13): 1953 Fiat. Learned to drive in: 1927 Nash utility paddock-basher & Grey Fergie tractor. Driven distance (logged as at 30 June 2016): 4.6 million km.

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ADow
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Post by ADow » Wed 22 Mar, 2006 10:46 pm

Don't rush things
Agreed - don't be in too much of a hurry to sell what is a lovely car, particularly as you have done quite a bit of work to get it sorted...
Alastair
1971 280SE 3.5 - Don Ottavio - sold
1980 300D (formerly daughter's) - Heidi - sold
1999 C200 Elegance (currently daughter's)
1981 300D (son's) - Hektor
1998 Puma Clubman with 225 RWKW SR20DET - Percy
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