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Post by minkbigbird 63 » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 8:52 pm

I have been told by my registration inspection station in N.S.W.that unless my 1986 420 Sel Aust. Comp.has all the ADR. requirements he will not issue a pink slip.I have the original Australian Owners Emission Systems Manual information that came with the car and it makes reference to a Fuel Evaporation Control System consisting of a fuel tank,a tank vent valve unit a charcoal canister and purge valve.I have no idea of what all this even looks like, anyone have any further information?
Also listed is a Catalyst in the exhaust system line and what Mercedes refer to as a Lambda-Control an Oxygen sensor which transmits an electrical signal to the control unit of the injection system. my exhaust system still appears to be original with the Mercedes logo's pressed into the mufflers it's a 87K car.
I am well out of my depth on this,I have seen smog/air pumps on some engines but this does not seem to be a requirement on my car though there is one pulley on the crank that appears not to align with anything?
Help Brian.

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Re: emissions equipment

Post by merc-304 » Fri 16 Jun, 2017 10:15 pm

Tough inspector that one Phew ...are you using a different inspection station to last time ?
Try another place have never heard of that for a pink slip.
Whats the date of manufacture on the compliance plate ?
380 SEC

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Re: emissions equipment

Post by 91MercCoupeMBL » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 12:29 am

G'day & hi there,

Dang! That does not sound great for you.. Sorry to hear it..

Here is a pdf on emissions control I think is very near what you describe.. Its from US spec 420 & 560 [Gen 2].

Here is a link to exhaust systems for the 420 etc: http://www.iauto.lt/mercedes-benz/Car/4 ... STEM_26494

I just yesterday removed the 'eurolog' manifolds & big 'euro-cat' off my 500SEC to be replaced by tri-Ys and a non-cat front pipe...

Hope this helps..
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Re: emissions equipment

Post by Ivanerrol » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 11:31 am

There should be a sticker somewhere which states ADR emmision conformatity.
Make sure the inspector is looking at the right specs for the right car. There is a 420 W140.
The 420, 560 and 300 engines were brought into Australia at the time of the introduction of the unleaded fuel specification.
These cars complied with the specification of the day.
Unless some P.O. Has removed some part of the emmision system the car will comply.

I always take my cars to an inspector who is thouroughly familiar with Mercedes Benz's or any other Euro car.
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W204 - C280
W202 - C180
W210 - E240
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W202 - C180 - On consignment to nephew
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W124 - 300e, 260e (ex Japan)
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Re: emissions equipment

Post by minkbigbird 63 » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 4:09 pm

First thanks to those who replied. A few more details which may explain my post.
My W126 420 sel was built on the 4 th month 86 and sold new in Australia and comp. 7 th month 86. and meets Australian design number 37 from Jan.86 ,which makes it eligible for Historic registration in N.S.W. as a 30 year old plus car.

The requirement for Historic rego are it must be factory original or go to new new system just introduced a modified car which will require a blue slip with a fee the depending on the mod. a engineer's cert. with a min.I'm told of $700 plus fee and if passes a with further fee to the controlling body before going back to the starting car club, all this I think is to stop hot rod type cars going on historic rego. In N.S.W. $57 rego Incl. green slip per year with a 60 day log book. and for a hobby car this is a good deal as well as all car club outings.

Now back to my car I have found the cat. and oxygen sensor but as I don't know what the charcoal filter looks like or where it is located and If a air/smog pump is required? I'm still in the dark. Some one must know.
thanks Brian

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Re: emissions equipment

Post by AMG » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 4:18 pm

Where are you located in sydney.

Use an independent MB Specialist mechanic and you'll not have any issues - unless you have removed the catalyst. That will be bleeding obvious if it's gone. Possibly why it did not get the pink slip.

anyway, the charcoal cannister is hidden behind the front fender arch trim (item 20 in below pictures) , so pointless trying to look for it. Hence the refer vehicle to MB specialist - who will know what to look for and where. 2nd diagram is for later emissions control version SA code - which your vehicle is unlikely to have...
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Current:
1987 560SL 4sp. auto Signalrot "Stella"
1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
1989 2.5-16 Blauschwarz 4sp. auto (parted) formerly owned by Derek/Hasan.

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Re: emissions equipment

Post by minkbigbird 63 » Sat 17 Jun, 2017 6:09 pm

Thanks for the location on the charcoal canister,I guess this is a serviced item? I have had the car since the last 60K service and it is not shown on the log book service records? And car has not failed an inspection I was just told don't present the car with any emission gear removed or it will fail
Just one to go if an Air Pump was required ? nothing there just an unused single pulley on the crank. and to answer your question AMG I live in country N.S.W.

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Re: emissions equipment

Post by Ivanerrol » Mon 19 Jun, 2017 5:41 pm

Have a look through this thread on air pumps.

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=19027

Particular the last post by Greg.

The US continued with airpumps however they have been known to be very problematic - seizing.

They are $$$ to replace.

Best to take Joe's advice - take it to an independent Benz specialist.
W211 - E240
W204 - C280
W202 - C180
W210 - E240
Departed
W202 - C200
W202 - C180 - On consignment to nephew
W126 - 380SE , 380SE (Ex SA Import), 560SEL
W124 - 300e, 260e (ex Japan)
W111 220s (Indonesia) 4 speed manual column shift
W123 230
W116 450SEL
W140 420SEL
W210 E240
W209 CLK 240
W201 190e 2.6 (ex U.K.)

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Re: emissions equipment

Post by minkbigbird 63 » Mon 19 Jun, 2017 9:23 pm

Could the answer been that simple, Cat's and Sensor then no Air Pump for 86

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Post by AMG » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 1:31 pm

Well, yes and no, the answer could be 'simpler' except we have not got your VIN, don't know what your mechanic knows about Mercedes-Benz, Have no idea about what exhaust is fitted etc and have no way of visually confirming this as we have not inspected the vehicle.

While pictures 'may' assist in confirming the presence or lack thereof of a catalyst, then it may be possible to make an assumption, however making assumptions is not a practice one should really undertake, when having an actual look, visual confirmation of components as well as checking the vin will clarify what should be fitted to the vehicle.

insofar as a "missing" pulley - I suspect you mean the frontmost unused groove on the crank pulley - which is for an air-pump situated on the lower drivers side, below the alternator - on US- spec emissions vehicles.

2 power steering pulley belts (drives water pump)
1 alternator pulley
1 HVAC (13A size) pulley has large tensioner in front of the power steering pump
1 air pump pulley (unused)

Here's one off an impala brown 1989 420 SEL I looked at a few years ago.click on pic to enlarge. Look below the fan clutch to the lower pulley...
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Note the groove has NEVER been used.

In other markets, airpumps were fitted. If your vehicle was not australian delivered, it may very well have come equipped with the air pump.
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Current:
1987 560SL 4sp. auto Signalrot "Stella"
1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
1989 2.5-16 Blauschwarz 4sp. auto (parted) formerly owned by Derek/Hasan.

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Re: emissions equipment

Post by minkbigbird 63 » Tue 20 Jun, 2017 9:18 pm

First of all AMG let me say I appreciate the time you have taken with my questions,it has been a real learning curve, to answer some of your questions my 2nd post gives details of my cars origin and emissions number on the compliance plate,also in my 3 rd post I said the pulley is unused and did not align with any thing, not missing. My car has been inspected by MB Spares and taken for a test drive and the report was a slight spot of surface rust on the outer skin on the original rear muffler and slight wear on ball joints and a slight wet look on one tappet gasket in one place I'm sure if any thing was wrong with the exhaust they would have told me.
As to the knowledge or lack of with the inspector I just wanted to know to be able to give a sensible answer to any comments he may make on the car emissions control.
And your question my Vin number is WDB12603552A252062 I have most of the original paper work that came with the car but I don't have a Data sheet what I found in the boot under the carpet was a paper printed strip with perforated edges with the cars vin- build date and a host of other numbers under what looks like code letters? is this a Data sheet?
I would love to post some images to help but my computer skills are very basic.
I trust this Helps a little. Brian

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Post by AMG » Wed 21 Jun, 2017 4:16 pm

one too many 5's in your Vin :king: :laughing6:

Here's your datacard:
1260352A252062.pdf
option codes deciphered:
WDB1260352A252062.pdf
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Current:
1987 560SL 4sp. auto Signalrot "Stella"
1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
1989 2.5-16 Blauschwarz 4sp. auto (parted) formerly owned by Derek/Hasan.

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Re: emissions equipment

Post by Ivanerrol » Wed 21 Jun, 2017 8:24 pm

Russian Info

VIN WDB1260352A252062
Trade designation 420 SEL
Shipping date ..
Driver's cab 00384
Engine Number 116965 22 017753
Salon 274
Optics BOSCH
Order number 0690110536
LCP code 1 147
Trans 722324 02 788428

Code Description
221 ELECTRIC SEAT ADJUSTMENT FOR THE LEFT DRIVER
222 ELECTRIC SEAT ADJUSTMENT
240 OUTSIDE TEMPERATURE INDICATION
274 TELEPHONE MERCEDES-BENZ NETWORK D
412 SHELTER ELECTRIC SUMMER WITH LIFTING US-VOM (Sun roof)
412 SHOVELLE SUMMER
440 TEMPOMAT
480 LEVEL ADJUSTMENT
570 FRONT COVER ARMCHAIR
599 HEAT TREAT. GAS. AND REINFORCED GLASS, 2-LAYER.BEZOP.STEK.
600 WASHING MACHINE
625 PERFORMANCE FOR AUSTRALIA
640 light weight. DISCS WITH 15-HOLE.
731 WOOD FINISHING: ROOT TREE NUT.
806 MODE YEAR CHANGE
W211 - E240
W204 - C280
W202 - C180
W210 - E240
Departed
W202 - C200
W202 - C180 - On consignment to nephew
W126 - 380SE , 380SE (Ex SA Import), 560SEL
W124 - 300e, 260e (ex Japan)
W111 220s (Indonesia) 4 speed manual column shift
W123 230
W116 450SEL
W140 420SEL
W210 E240
W209 CLK 240
W201 190e 2.6 (ex U.K.)

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Re: emissions equipment

Post by AMG » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 10:32 am

Ivanerrol wrote:Russian Info
Les,

Time to use a different decoder ;P

datamb.com is a little better at matching the codes... I posted the deciphered version in my previous post.

Have a look:
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Current:
1987 560SL 4sp. auto Signalrot "Stella"
1987 190E 2.3-16 5sp. man. Blauschwarz "Hermann"
1992 300CE-24 6sp. man. Perlblau / Iceblau "Gretel"
1992 Range Rover Vogue SE 4sp auto Ardenne Green "Oswald"
2012 Renault Sport Megane RS265 Trophy 8:08 6 sp. man. Liquid Yellow "Jean Rédélé"
Previous:
1986 560SEL Anthracitgrau "Schultz" - In Mercedes Heaven
1987 190E 2.6 4sp. auto Signalrot "Sabine" - which now resides/owns Andrew M's Garage
1972 350SLC Astralsilber "Lurch" - now in the loving care of Craig B
1989 2.5-16 Blauschwarz 4sp. auto (parted) formerly owned by Derek/Hasan.

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Re: emissions equipment

Post by minkbigbird 63 » Thu 22 Jun, 2017 5:39 pm

A big thank you to AllMightyGod and the Demigod for the Data Card Info. I think I would probably know as much if not more than my local inspector would know on emisions equipment on my 86 Mercedes.
This could be helping in a unrelated way with Leatherique leather dye stating that a coin tray sample I sent from a parts car is not Java? more like Palomino I thought Palomino was a colour name used in America and Jave used in Australia and maybe euro.but both the same colours?
I brought a roll top burl wood storage compartment for the center console which needs to be re. coloured it's more of a beige,I know not correct for my car but I like the look in preference to a wooden box.
thanks again.

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Re: emissions equipment

Post by Ivanerrol » Fri 23 Jun, 2017 12:18 am

AMG wrote:
Ivanerrol wrote:Russian Info
Les,

Time to use a different decoder ;P

datamb.com is a little better at matching the codes... I posted the deciphered version in my previous post.
Yeah But.
The Russian site can give you all the part numbers - plus updated parts - plus diagrams
W211 - E240
W204 - C280
W202 - C180
W210 - E240
Departed
W202 - C200
W202 - C180 - On consignment to nephew
W126 - 380SE , 380SE (Ex SA Import), 560SEL
W124 - 300e, 260e (ex Japan)
W111 220s (Indonesia) 4 speed manual column shift
W123 230
W116 450SEL
W140 420SEL
W210 E240
W209 CLK 240
W201 190e 2.6 (ex U.K.)

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