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High Compression 560s in Australia

Postby oversize » Fri 14 Apr, 2017 11:04 pm

So I'm trying to get an idea of the numbers of M117.968s in Australia and this is what I currently know:

10 in total.

1 x WA,
1 x NSW,
1 x SA,
1 x TAS,
1 x QLD (wrecked),
5 x VIC (incl 1 wrecked LHD).

Further detail:

WA: Update, navy ext, beige int, seat heaters, orth frt seats, rear blind, full hydro,

NSW: Black ext, split rear seats, rear blind, full hydro removed,

SA: Unknown apart from the fact it exists,

TAS: Update, split rear seats, advertised a while ago,

QLD: Grey int, wrecked to be a donor for something else,

VIC: Update, silver ext, grey int, split rear seats, frt seat heaters with orth, full hydro,

VIC: Champagne ext, burgundy int, rear SLS removed,

VIC: Update, black ext, black int, seat heaters, rear SLS removed, LPG,

VIC: Update, black ext, nil sunroof, no SLS,

VIC: White ext, navy int, seat heaters, orth frt seats, LHD, wrecked.


Anyone able to add to the list???

What about the HC 500SELs; another thread?
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Re: High Compression 560s in Australia

Postby Dean 560 SEC » Sat 15 Apr, 2017 12:21 am

Plus mine in WA
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Re: High Compression 560s in Australia

Postby Cruiser » Sat 15 Apr, 2017 1:40 am

I've got one as well
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Re: High Compression 560s in Australia

Postby MercMad West Australian » Sat 15 Apr, 2017 8:05 am

Isn't there a very ordinary, clapped out example for sale at the moment for 3 or 4 times what its worth by a seller saying its the only one in the country? Oh, I see what you're doing... ;)
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Re: High Compression 560s in Australia

Postby Dean 560 SEC » Sat 15 Apr, 2017 12:27 pm

MercMad West Australian wrote:Isn't there a very ordinary, clapped out example for sale at the moment for 3 or 4 times what its worth by a seller saying its the only one in the country? Oh, I see what you're doing... ;)


We've all said that at least once when were talking about them hahahaha !!!
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Re: High Compression 560s in Australia

Postby CraigB » Sat 15 Apr, 2017 2:06 pm

I have the remains of one. I had assumed he was talking about SEL's with the full air or is it hydro suspension set up like Kim's? First hand i have only ever seen one very early 500SEL with the full suspension, once owned by Davide Frada - must ask him where it went. I don't know why people make comments like only one in the country - instantly I think 'unlikely' and is usually easily checked out and then you are just faced with the thought about all the other things the seller is lying about. I prefer comments like 'rare - its the only one on my street!'.
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Re: High Compression 560s in Australia

Postby kimrh » Sat 15 Apr, 2017 3:06 pm

Assume you are talking M117-968 10:1 560 300HP engines in which case i have 4
My 1988 Black 560SEC is 300hp version + my AMG ported EFI engine + a spare
Dean's 560SEC / Perry's AMG SEL with a Euro 560
That makes 6 in WA plus the one Mercmad is talking about then if true that makes 7 in WA
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Re: High Compression 560s in Australia

Postby MercMad West Australian » Sat 15 Apr, 2017 5:13 pm

kimrh wrote:Assume you are talking M119-968 10:1 560 300HP engines in which case i have 4
My 1988 Black 560SEC is 300hp version + my AMG ported EFI engine + a spare
Dean's 560SEC / Perry's AMG SEL with a Euro 560
That makes 6 in WA plus the one Mercmad is talking about then if true that makes 7 in WA


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Re: High Compression 560s in Australia

Postby T-Modell » Sat 15 Apr, 2017 5:27 pm

CraigB wrote:... I don't know why people make comments like only one in the country - ....


:laughing6: seems to be the same everywhere ... I also own the ONLY 250SE/C in horizonblue with blue leather and that specific dent in the dashboard wood :laughing6:

The "best" sales argument is always "I have a 420SL for sale, the least produced SL" ... so very rare bla bla bla. Figure-wise it's correct, but nobody wanted it back then.

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Re: High Compression 560s in Australia

Postby MercMad West Australian » Sat 15 Apr, 2017 7:20 pm

T-Modell wrote:
CraigB wrote:... I don't know why people make comments like only one in the country - ....


:laughing6: seems to be the same everywhere ... I also own the ONLY 250SE/C in horizonblue with blue leather and that specific dent in the dashboard wood :laughing6:

The "best" sales argument is always "I have a 420SL for sale, the least produced SL" ... so very rare bla bla bla. Figure-wise it's correct, but nobody wanted it back then.

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But there might be another one in a parallel universe, but with that dent inverted :bounce:
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Re: High Compression 560s in Australia

Postby kimrh » Sun 16 Apr, 2017 2:43 am

typo i meant M117
All 10:1comp that found their way into Aust should have come with Tri-Ys standard.

The high comp Gen2 500 engines (also with Tri-Ys standard) found in the SEC/SEL (not sure if any came in the SE) are also pretty rare to find in Aust as majority that came in as imports were Gen1 engines
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Re: High Compression 560s in Australia

Postby oversize » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 11:19 pm

Updated; I deleted wrecked cars (or just engines) and to clarify I was talking SELs, not SECs.

11 in total.

2 x WA,
1 x NSW,
1 x ACT,
1 x SA,
1 x TAS,
4 x VIC.

Further detail:

WA: Update, navy ext, beige int, seat heaters, orth frt seats, rear blind, full hydro,

WA: white with SEC front clip,

NSW: Brown ext, brown int, full hydro,

ACT: Update, black ext, grey int, split rear seats, rear blind, full hydro removed,

SA: Unknown apart from the fact it exists,

SA: Unknown possibly parts only,

TAS: Update, split rear seats, advertised a while ago,

VIC: Update, silver ext, grey int, split rear seats, frt seat heaters with orth, full hydro,

VIC: Update, champagne ext, burgundy int, rear SLS removed,

VIC: Update, black ext, black int, seat heaters, rear SLS removed, LPG,

VIC: Update, black ext, nil sunroof, no SLS.
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Re: High Compression 560s in Australia

Postby oversize » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 11:21 pm

Cruiser & CraigB is there any more detail about your cars? Separate old or new threads perhaps?
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Re: High Compression 560s in Australia

Postby Cruiser » Fri 21 Apr, 2017 12:40 am

oversize wrote:Cruiser & CraigB is there any more detail about your cars? Separate old or new threads perhaps?


My car is a 500 SEL AMG with a coupe nose put on by AMG, currently has a 117 963 560 engine. you can see more pics and info on page 10 of Star Shots
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Re: High Compression 560s in Australia

Postby Cruiser » Fri 21 Apr, 2017 12:45 am

There is also a 560 SEC LHD with Vic plates in Kal, so possibly another one, will see what I can find out.
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Re: High Compression 560s in Australia

Postby kimrh » Fri 21 Apr, 2017 9:01 pm

Perry the 560 engine is coded M117-968
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Re: High Compression 560s in Australia

Postby Cruiser » Sat 22 Apr, 2017 1:59 am

kimrh wrote:Perry the 560 engine is coded M117-968



You are probably right Kim, because the code I quoted was from the original 5lt engine and the the engine that is in it now is a 117 968.
Thanks for picking me up on that.
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Re: High Compression 560s in Australia

Postby John Green » Fri 28 Apr, 2017 10:54 pm

oversize wrote:So I'm trying to get an idea of the numbers of M117.968s in Australia and this is what I currently know:

10 in total.

Anyone able to add to the list???

What about the HC 500SELs; another thread?


These are not that rare. We installed one in a 560GE.

https://www.mbspares.com.au/Gallery/How ... 560GE.aspx

We also have at least 4 customers with them, none of which I think are on your list. Also 117 968 just describes that you have a M117 engine in 5.6lt configuration. It is only the full engine number in combination with the original chassis VIN number that determines if it is an HV engine or not. Give or take a few engines the break where the compression changed was at 037642, so long as the engine wasn't fitted to an Australian or US spec VIN. The 117 965 engine change was around 016683.

Not tying to burst your bubble, just be helpful. If you want to start some kind of list, you need to set some definitive rules.
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Re: High Compression 560s in Australia

Postby kimrh » Sat 29 Apr, 2017 1:15 am

Agree to verify you have the 300hp 10:1 comp version - engine number ends with HV or .10 and check the end of the cams with a mirror for 16 / 17 for ECE or 24 / 25 for later RUF (meaning left & right cam coding).
Fuel head should also end in 015 or 016 (on both the high comp 965 engine as well)
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Re: High Compression 560s in Australia

Postby Mercmad » Mon 01 May, 2017 12:56 pm

I stripped one here , it even hs 10-1 stamped by the engine number . I have also sourced a coupe for a guy with the 968 engine which was sent to John greens i think to be used for a donor (too much body rust and crappy interior. ) I put a 500 high compression engine into a W111 and the owner has a spare high compression 5.0 engine PLUS a 560 he restored with the 968 engine . so thats another 3 . Freddie, a guy who used to live in brisbane but is now in the NT had a 560 with 968 which also had the bucket seats in the rear. The engines are not as unusual as those split rear heated power seats though .
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Re: High Compression 560s in Australia

Postby PunkJr » Mon 01 May, 2017 10:49 pm

I have a high comp 5.6 in my 420SEL. Looking to sell mine though.
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Re: High Compression 560s in Australia

Postby chucke » Tue 02 May, 2017 9:01 pm

I've got a high comp HK delivered 560sec in Vic. Almandine with Pine Green leather. I bought it in Perth with help from Kim and it lived in Sydney prior to that
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Re: High Compression 560s in Australia

Postby scorchi0 » Wed 03 May, 2017 9:23 am

Another 220kW car in WA checking in.
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Re: High Compression 560s in Australia

Postby Cruiser » Wed 03 May, 2017 6:58 pm

Nice looking car you have there scorchi0

What event was this taken at ?
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Re: High Compression 560s in Australia

Postby scorchi0 » Wed 03 May, 2017 7:04 pm

Cruiser wrote:Nice looking car you have there scorchi0

What event was this taken at ?

Thanks, that was at Targa West about 4 years ago. They had a parade lap of one car from each of the car clubs attending the display they had there.

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Re: High Compression 560s in Australia

Postby CraigB » Thu 04 May, 2017 9:22 pm

I'm picking up a HC 560SEC tomorrow.... but unfortunately past survival I think and largely stripped. I will record the number though for interest sake.
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Re: High Compression 560s in Australia

Postby kimrh » Sat 06 May, 2017 12:25 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdgL4Uf ... e=youtu.be
Go to 1.02 minutes of this video above to see Scorchi0's red AMG SEL at our local W126 meet in Feb with video of the rear interior as well showing the split rear seat combo - which allows full adjustment including angle (pitch) of the bottom seat as well as angle of the back rest. - Pretty cool stuff
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